Where the Hell does Keith O. get off?!?!?!?!?!?

[Sperk]

Says no one would say Gore is a great speaker, or something to that effect.

Note to Olbermann.....Shove it! MILLIONS OF US would say Gore is a FANTASTIC speaker, with or without Chimpy to use as a comparison.

I generally enjoy KO but that statement PISSED ME OFF!!! HOW DARE HE SPEAK FOR MILLIONS OF US!

:mad:

[tuvor]

1. That was it? No context?

There must've been some context.

[Eric J in MN]

37. Paraphrase of what Keith Olbermann said at the start

of tonight's broadcast:

While no one would say Al Gore is a great speaker, he's become a forceful one. Tonight to discuss the speech we're joined by our first guest...

[tuvor]

45. Sounds like an introduction meant to arouse interest to me.

Could be something more sinister, but I kinda doubt it.

Thank you for filling me in, Eric.

[Nikki Stone 1]

2. I second the request for context

before I make a judgement

[Sperk]

4. That was his introduction....no one would say Gore is a great speaker

but today he....whatever......or some such thing.....then he plays a clip of gore (showing what a great speaker he his BTW)

[Nikki Stone 1]

11. Did KO end up being supportive of Gore or did he minimize the speech?

?

[LittleClarkie]

40. Indeed. Was there a BUT

in there somewhere?

[wndycty]

3. Oh God. . .

. . .even many of us Gore supporters acknowledge he is not known for being a great speaker. Today he was fantastic. . .but he is not always.

[Sperk]

7. No. I'm sorry....can anyone name ONE person who has been

a greater speaker for us over the last 5 years? His speeches on global warming, Patriot Act, torture and now todays speech CANNOT be topped by anyone. Sorry.

[leftofthedial]

27. I have to agree

He was wooden as VP and as candidate Gore in 2000

but he has given two or three of the best speeches on earth in the last five years

[Toots]

104. Howard Dean sort of stands out

:shrug:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Gore is a good speaker -- better now than in 2000.

But I wouldn't say he's a really great one, even in today's speech. Sometimes his rhythm is off; it doesn't flow with the punctuation, and the pauses sometimes don't fit. That said, the content of his speech was so terrific that I don't understand why any media person would even mention his speaking style. What was important was what he said, not how he said it.

[nicknameless]

24. That is a particular style of speech that is often used when time limits

are in effect. Bottom line -- no pause breaks for applause. He had about an hour to complete it.
Speakers often need to fit their talks within a certain time frame, or face having them cut.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. Good point; sometimes he seemed a bit rushed.

Even so, there's something occasionally a little awkward about his speaking style -- but frankly, I don't care. He's not boring and he said some things that needed to be said, over and over. It was a great speech even if he's only a good speaker.

[nicknameless]

28. So much corruption. So little time.

;)

[leesa]

69. I agree. I don't think he is a great speaker, but the content is good

Of course, compared to the ass-wipe in the White House, he's incredibly eloquent.

[LittleClarkie]

12. He's been pretty spiffy for a couple of years now though

hasn't he?

Since 2002, when he came out against the war?

He's certainly not been the same man since he selected out of the presidency.

I remember the moveon.org speech he gave around the time that the Nuke Option was threatening. Very passionate.

But yeah, he did often put me to sleep in 2000.

It sounds like that's all Keith was saying, that Gore has not always been the best speechifyer but that today was a good one.

I could say the same about my bud Kerry. JK has to be pissed off sometimes to give a good speech. Otherwise he slides into Senator-speak. That might have been Al's problem for a while there. But as far as I've seen lately, he's gotten over it.

[karynnj]

59. Kerry is also great on any emotional/historic speech

In addition to those speeches where he iss angry, there were a series of "eulogy" type speeches - Jackie Robinson, Rosa Parks, JFK and (slightly different type) a speech on the Senate floor when the Senators had a resolution condemning and apologizing for earlier generations not outlawing Lynching. These were pure American values and included appeals to the best part of us.

The speeches planned and imprompto that he has given in the Senate pleading for bi-partisanship and civility show how he would liklely have tried to reach out to unite and heal the country.

I like what Al said in this speech and in the others he made. I find Kerry's more inspiring because, at his best, he is capable of the type of speech that few can do - hitting global noble goals. Some of this is simply style.

[LittleClarkie]

62. They reminded me of each other a while back

both spoke about the nuclear option. Gore's "HELLO?!" and Kerry's "WHAT!?" were so similar. Gore was talking about how Republicans were lying about how the fillibuster had been used in the past, and Kerry was talking about Lugar's comment that he'd never seen anyone act as Voinovich had during the Bolton debate. Paraphrasing: "WHAT!? You've never seen someone stop, and think?"

I love them both.

[Clark2008]

26. Exactly.

Gore isn't known for being effusive and effervescent.

Keith's point was that today, he was.

[Im with Rosey]

36. I thought that KO did a good job

He gave the speech more sound bytes than others, talked about context. I think overall it was good coverage. I'll watch again later with a more critical eye...

[Clark2008]

43. I did, too.

He didn't call him boring or wooden - he just pointed out that today Gore was good.

I don't understand the OP's ire. Keith is balanced.

[Im with Rosey]

57. Wouldn't it be great if more

could be as balanced as KO?

[nicknameless]

5. I didn't hear KO, but I did just listen to President Gore.

My goose bumps and tears from his speech refute that assertion.

[dogindia]

6. I think all the media is afraid. They can't take the truth.

[Berry Cool]

56. dogindia, you're wrong about that.

Keith DELIVERS the truth. Try watching his show, if you have a TV and cable. You might be surprised.

(I say this because I have found that the vast majority of DU'ers who soo vigorously accuse "the media" en masse of being RW whores do not even own a TV or watch it at all.)

[messiah]

9. Yes Al Gore is boring

[blue neen]

39. He was far from boring today.

IMHO.

[Straight Shooter]

84. Name three people in U.S. politics that you think are "great speakers"

I would sure like to know by what comparison Gore is deemed to be "boring."

[Brundle_Fly]

94. He's no Kerry.

:sarcasm:

At least we have seen a fire lit up under Gores derriere, unlike any of the democrats that are all going to be seeking re-election.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

100. Thank you! Actually Gore has been giving PHENOMENAL speeches

in the last few years. They were sponsored by Moveon, and each made me weep at what we have lost.

[insane_cratic_gal]

10. in 2000 the media smeared his image with that

Stating he was boring, a stiff speaker without passion.

I think he's taken a class or two .. he was remarkable, Ko does not diminish Gore's image by saying as such

[Sperk]

13. This entire board goes nuts everytime an upcoming Gore speech

is announced. WHY, cause he sucks at it? WTF. BTW, who (political) is a better speaker than Gore? Clinton doesn't count, he's in a class by himself and a fat lotta good he's been doing us since Chimpy stole the White House.

Who exactly is Gore being compared to when we are told he is "boring"?

I guess I cannot believe my lying eyes...the media has spoken.

[LittleClarkie]

17. Before 2000, nobody went nutso over his speeches

Are you sure that's not all KO was saying?

What did he say about the speech today? Was he saying that Gore didn't give good speeches but that today was different?

And I'm sure you can believe your lying eyes, and disagree with KO at the same time. It's allowed, having a disagreement with someone who is normally pretty good.

Somehow I doubt that KO is part of the RW media slant.

[bpilgrim]

21. here's another POWERFUL speech by gore, on TORTURE this time - > mp3

well said :toast:

a_few_bad_apples.mp3 957k
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/aar/af/gore/a_few_bad_apples.mp3
more...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/aar/af/gore

peace

[insane_cratic_gal]

34. Why are you jumping all over me?

Have some chocolate and call me in the morning!

Honestly I said he gave a remarkable speech, Keith only made a slight out of turn remark, "they called him a looser.. but No more" (my own example).. entry segway into the show. He talks about when barley anyone else covers it!

He probably didn't even write it himself. Your all up in arms over it.

We aren't going to bash Keith for an off the cuff comment, he makes them all of the time. Same with Stewart, I feel bad for these guys.. damned if you do and damed if you don't.

No one is bashing Gore, we all love him... it's just that we love Keith too, I don't want to bash either one of them.

[Upfront]

14. It is not how he said it

it is what he said. I can not beleive you people.

[foreigncorrespondent]

15. But you take it upon yourself...

...to speak for the millions you claim think Gore is a fantastic speaker? Pot meet kettle!

[Sperk]

19. O.K. I cannot say MILLIONS of people think gore is a great speaker

(although I believe if millions heard his recent speeches, they would say so)... Should Keith now say he CANNOT say NO ONE would call Gore a great speaker??!?!??!?!?!??! Yeah NO ONE! I only needed ME to refute him!

[Steve A Play]

16. The difference between a 'talking head' and a 'statesman'

I'll go out of my way to hear a statesman like Gore speak but I got rid of my cable channels to avoid the noise made by talking heads like him. :)

Steven P. :kick:

[Horse with no Name]

18. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

He is impure! He is a traitor!:sarcasm:
Seriously, Keith has been an ally to our cause.
Maybe he wasn't as impassioned about the speech as we were.
Perhaps it is because this has been our lifeblood. We have been seeking someone to step forward and validate our fears and concerns.
Al Gore did that today. He was brilliant.
But perhaps Keith didn't see the brilliance of how everything we are concerned about was tied together in this oratory today.
But my guess is that corporate media MSRNC perhaps insisted this speech be downplayed until they could spin it.
Keith has been carrying our water better than just about anyone else in the media.
For that reason, I will cut him slack.

[Sperk]

22. So what!! I'm not supposed to get mad at the CONSTANT

propaganda. I'm sick of cutting slack...that's what got us into this mess. Keith Olberman should just have reported the damn story without putting his two cents in.

[Horse with no Name]

23. I understand the frustration

I just think Keith takes bullets for us quite a bit.
Can't fault him when he doesn't.

[Sperk]

29. That's another thing...no offense to you...I get your point... but

Keith does not take bullets for US...unless you're talking about the United States. I'm sick of feeling like WE need allies..OUR COUNTRY NEEDS PATRIOTS!! It's not about this board or any political slant...aren't these "journalists" AMERICANS for Chrissakes...you cannot tell me that every single one of them does not understand the danger out democracy is in.

Sorry, but I'm sick of my bubble getting busted....I so enjoyed listening to Gore and the last thing I expected (stupid me) was a snide remark by KO

[RoyGBiv]

47. I'm curious ...

When KO puts his two cents in about an issue in a way you like, would you say that?

In any case, you really did miss the point. Gore of late is a spectacular speaker by constrast to his former performances.

Regarding KO, this is just another case of people requiring perfection as they see it. Some people don't really want truth or balance. They want people to agree with them. KO does something someone doesn't like, and of course he's a whore (different thread) regardless of the plethora of things he's said over the last year that we do like. Jon Stewart does an interview in a way that some see as him being soft on the interviewee, and suddenly he's become a tool for his corporate masters.

If you want people to do or say things the way you want them done or said all the time, you will always be disappointed.

[Wordie]

55. "everything we are concerned about was tied together in this oratory today

You know, that's it. That speech just felt so right. It was what I know I have been longing to hear somebody step forth and say. He got it just right. (And I agree, Keith didn't slam him. He was just being...Keith.)

[pretzel4gore]

20. maybe keith is mindfukking the cnn/foxnews etc mediawhores?

nt

[tinfoilinfor2005]

30. Great speakers? I love to listen to Senator Byrd.

Gore used to bore me, but lately he has greatly improved. Today he was fantastic.

[Sperk]

32. True, I enjoy listening to Byrd too, and they paint him as a crazy old

loon.

[Telly Savalas]

31. Once he said that Kerry's tie didn't match his jacket.

Kill the motherfucker.

Slowly


and painfully.

[Junkdrawer]

33. I've never been a big Keith O. fan. Amy Goodman is more my speed...

Some worship the ground he walks on and I've never understood why. But, to each his own...

[Berry Cool]

60. There's a difference betwee "worship" and "appreciation."

No need to exaggerate to make the point.

[Junkdrawer]

67. Here's the Keith O. forum...You choose the word...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=315

[Berry Cool]

71. Lots of different people in there. Wide range of feelings.

I couldn't choose one word to describe the feelings of all of them. I don't like to paint groups of people with brushstrokes that broad. In general, I don't think it's fair to take a whole group of people and accuse them of anything.

[Steve A Play]

80. Hear! Hear!

What makes a man a 'great speaker' should never be measured in the tone and tenor of his words, or the manner in which they are delivered, it should only be measured by the quality of the thoughts behind his words. If tone, tenor or manner of speaking truly mattered, then Adolf Hitler was, by that definition, a 'great speaker' and Steven Hawkings an abject failure at it. :)

Steven P. :kick:

[txindy]

83. Marvelous point there about Hawking.

:toast: Well said! :toast:

[Maru Kitteh]

87. No, Hawking is a great mind, he does not need to be a great speaker

to claim his mark in the world. Stephen Hawking is not a great speaker and he would never claim to be. We are talking about politicians. Adolf Hitler was a great success as a politician and an abject failure as a human being. Adolf Hitler rose in part due to his abilities as a speaker.

The qualities that define a great speaker have fallen in and out of fashion like so much in history. Albert Gore is a noble and admirable man I would be happy to vote for again. It does not make him a great speaker.

[Steve A Play]

92. Ahh, but you prove my point so succinctly!

I humbly disagree with your premise. :)

One should never ascribe words such as 'goodness' or 'greatness' to a man's 'speech' based at all on the the style in which it is delivered, for it is a false measure of what a 'speech' is meant to do.

Speeches are a means for men to communicate ideas to others, nothing more. By allowing oneself to conflate the style of the speaker with the goodness or greatness of the speech he delivers, you fall into the trap of trivializing the meaning behind the speech itself.

The style in which a speech is delivered is merely a measure of how great an actor or orator one is. It should never be used as a measure of how great a speech is regardless of what current "fashion" dictates. I'm quite sure it was 'en vogue' to measure a mans speech by the style in which it was delivered in World War II Germany. Hitler was a great actor and orator who gave lousy speeches riddled with lies and inaccuracies. His ability to convince the German public to accept style over substance when it came to how great his speeches were perceived was how he led them into war.

Allowing our media to conflate the ideas that the style of the way a man acts while speaking has some direct relationship to the greatness of the speech he delivers only preps the public to reject the true ideas behind the speech in favor of the 'greatness' of the 'actor' who delivers it.

I've seen Steven Hawkings deliver a speech and I can assure you that everyone there thought it was "great" as they gave him a standing ovation at the end. ;-)

Steven P. :kick:

[Maru Kitteh]

93. There is a reason why speech and theatre are found nearby.

Ignoring the FACT that the manner in which a PERSON (you said man) delivers that speech is relevant is short-sighted at best, and certainly naive.

I'm so happy for you that you were fortunate enough to see him in person, pity you could not bother yourself to spell his name properly.

[Steve A Play]

96. Again you offer a perfect example of the pitfalls I describe!

Thank you!

You completely missed the subtlety and importance of the argument I presented and chose instead to engage in a personal attack by labeling me "short-sighted" and "certainly naive". You focus instead on a single spelling error to frame your 'discussion' and use words like "pity" and "bother" to give your view some imagined intellectual weight when all you offer is a veiled slam at me. You didn't attempt to debate the merits of the argument I presented instead you attacked the messenger. How rude. :)

So much for expecting any reasonable discourse with you in the future I guess. ;)

Again, all I can do is point out the fallacy that there's any merit to the argument that the style of how oral ideas are presented holds any real weight when it comes to the substance of the message being delivered. You're free to consider whatever traits you wish when assessing the 'greatness' of a speech or speaker just as everyone else is. You obviously ascribe a great deal of importance to the delivery of a speech in whether or not you feel it can be considered a great one overall. I don't.

I'm sure that many people feel the same way you do and focus more on the speakers style of delivery than the message being delivered. That is precisely why the Spin-Meisters' in the media continue to distract people by focusing on irrelevant points like the "anger" in the speaker's voice, their "wild eyed expression", and various other references to their hair, clothing, or mannerisms. The public is fed a steady diet of stories stressing these irrelevant points about the delivery of the message and in turn are being distracted from the message itself. There's no doubt that many people have come to believe that these distractions are somehow an important part of the speech because that's all they hear about. They may hear or read one line from the speech and paragraphs about how it was delivered.

Just because some, many, or even most, people choose to believe something is important to them doesn't mean that I have to accept their conclusion that it is important. I can logically analyze things on my own. I can ask myself, 'if I read that speech after hearing it delivered, would I find that my understanding of the ideas contained in it had been in any way negatively impacted in it's presentation?' The answer to that question is typically no. The FACT is that while a great speech can be enhanced when delivered by a great orator, one need not necessarily be a great orator to give a great speech. Hence the age old adage, "It's not the medium, it's the message".

Steven P. :kick:

[jmowreader]

90. Adolf Hitler really was a great speaker

On edit: Adolf Hitler was the scum of the earth. Consider the next three paragraphs "damning with faint praise." No, I don't like the SOB.

There is no way in hell Hitler could have done all the things he did if he wasn't a stellar orator. The automatic ballot-box stuffer hadn't been invented yet.

Look at footage of Hitler speaking. Look at footage of his rallies. That little SOB knew exactly what it took to stir the masses, and he delivered.

If Hitler would have used his incredible powers of persuasion and motivation for good instead of for evil, he would have been recorded as one of history's most beloved leaders. Hitler chose evil, though, and now his name will live forever in infamy.

[Maru Kitteh]

35. And the drama queen award for the evening goes to...........

I loved Gore's speech today but he's still not a great speaker. Even his passion has a stiff and grandiose quality in speaking, except when he turns to rage. I love the rage, I feel the rage but it doesn't sell the issues. I don't ever doubt the mans sincerity or his commitment but he has a difficult time with the common touch. He speaks about important things which must be addressed through well written speeches but many/most people would not describe him as a great speaker.

You presuming MILLIONS of us think he is a FANTASTIC speaker is no better than KO leaving you out when he supposedly said no one would say Gore was a great speaker.

[bpilgrim]

46. the M$M for sure...

and you get the #2 prize for repeating the silly M$M bore.

gore gave a GREAT SPEECH today, the obsessing over his style on certain areas is old and boring, specially after today...

keith is allowed to get criticized when he fucks up - by bore'n us with this oft repeated media meme - just like everyone else.

if keith or any of the other media people get upset by it, don't panic... they'll get over it or they can come right on over to DU and defend them selves in person, the cowards :P


more...
http://GLobalFreePress.com

:hi:

peace

[Berry Cool]

61. If anyone doesn't deserve to be accused of the M$M canard, it's Keith.

I agree with you that he's allowed to get criticized when he fucks up. I just happen to not be the kind to accuse him of fucking up every time I disagree with him.

Other people think you're a fuckup every time you're not in line with their beliefs. Interesting, isn't it?

[bpilgrim]

64. he IS part of the M$M, hello

and he fucked up on gore, so he's getting called on it, on a POLITICAL board, so what?

he'll get over it & so should you :hi:

peace

[Berry Cool]

66. The point is, he doesn't ACT like the M$M.

And it's YOUR opinion that he "fucked up on Gore." I disagree.

get over it.

peace

[bpilgrim]

72. 'gore is a poor speaker' is a BS M$M meme from way back

and after 5 years of BS & the worst speaker in the world, they - M$M - are not gonna get away with the BS anymore no matter who they are, at least not on DU, anyways...

so you think gore gave a poor speech today, welcome to the minority ;->

peace

[Maru Kitteh]

82. HELLO........ I said I loved his speech - doesn't make him a GREAT SPEAKER

This was my personal observation from the first Clinton campaign. I turned to the hubby and said something to the effect at the time, not that I should have to justify ANY of this to you. It is my opinion and that of many others that Gore is a great man but not a great speaker. Get over it ya-self. Peace II.

[txindy]

85. Personally, I couldn't fault Mr. Gore's style, delivery, or words

I was completely bowled over. Very, very impressed. As someone who has said for years, "Al Gore? Yeah, he's okay," I am shocked out of my shoes by today's speech. Because he meant every word and delivered each with passion. So, either he's changed tremendously or my eyes have finally been opened. Perhaps a combination of both. :shrug: Anyway,

Al Gore for President! AGAIN! :patriot:

[Sperk]

50. FINE.....can we just say that to say someone is NOT A GREAT

SPEAKER is a put down?!?!?!?!?!?!? Yes, it is. NO NEED OF IT. Just get to the facts of the story. Drama queen my ass, just sick of the boiling frog syndrome in the media....if you know what I mean.

[Maru Kitteh]

86. could you provide some more context of what KO said?

I'd really REALLY be interested to see it. I would just like to see the sentences before what you heard, what you heard, and following. I don't think anyone is above being called out, I'm no KO groupie or anything. I just would like to see the CONTEXT.

[Sperk]

51. ya, well when I get my own show on MSNBC you can call me on it too.

n/t

[Ian David]

38. With all the good Keith has done, you're gonna get mad over THIS? n/t

[raysr]

42. Great Speaker, Great Speaker?

Here's your great speaker:
"Countries such as ours have an obligation to step up, working together, sanding, sending a common message, to the Iranians, that, uhh, uhh -- that it's -- the behavior -- kind of -- trying to -- uhh, clandessintly develop a nukyular weapon, or using the guise of a civilian nukyular weapon program to get the know-how to develop a nukyular weapon is unacceptable." GWB

[Ian David]

49. Fool me.. fool me... well, you can't get fooled again. n/t

[Berry Cool]

63. And your point is????????????

Keith never said * was a great speaker. So why are you putting words in his mouth to prove your point?

If anything, he has had more fun than anyone else in the media poking fun at THOSE speeches.

[PBass]

53. Gore has been fiery lately...

but his language is still a little bit too formal or flowery sometimes... if he could be just a wee bit more plain-spoken, more often, he could land even more punches (IMO).

Gore tends to say things like "Thus, we can see that _______ and Therefore, _____".

Very statesmanlike in an old-school way, however it's a bit too formal for Joe Average (in my opinion).

[Maru Kitteh]

89. My thoughts too. I LOVED his speech but he's given to being grandiose

It's lovely, but it's the language of the past, not the future.

I would have loved to have seen him do a Q and A afterwords also. That may have yielded better results and more coverage.

[Moosepoop]

102. So in order to be understood by Joe Six-Pack...

er, I mean, Joe Average, Gore should dumb down his speech and cease talking like a statesman?
What language should he speak? Valley Girl? Street slang?? Pig Latin???

Oh, I get it... he should speak like "a guy we'd most like to sit down and have a beer with". :think:

No, wait -- that's being done already.

I prefer "statesmanlike" speech from statesmen (and women). If the average voter is confused by the occasional "thus" or "therefore", that is a reflection on the voter, not the speaker.

[QC]

41. Oh well, I guess we have to hate Keith now.

Idols sure do get toppled from their pedestals very suddenly here.

[Berry Cool]

52. Tell me about it, QC!!!!

Look at all Keith does to bring the truth to people...and the second he says something that MIGHT sound critical of a *Democrat*, some people are willing to throw him under the bus.

What I want to know is, how is that any different from being like our wonderful pResident who has declared that if you do not toe his policy line, you are an enemy of America or an enemy of freedom?

Keith tells it like he sees it, and like he suspects many other people see it. If he thinks the average person would not rank Al Gore up there as one of the great speechifyers, he will say so. That doesn't mean he's condemning Gore. He's just calling it as he sees it. And, for the record, providing him and his speech with some very positive publicity today!

Jeez, people, get it through your heads. You may not agree with everything Keith says. He's not a Dem and he doesn't claim to be one. Neither does he get all excited over Dem politicians the way some might want him to. But that doesn't mean he isn't one of the good guys.

[Sperk]

54. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, do you people EVER get angry at

someone you care about and/or love? Talk about drama queens. Why can't someone point out something about someone who pissed them off without all these extreme ridiculous comments? Off with his head, I guess we have to hate him now, etc.

Have any of you ever gotten pissed off before or what? Did you kill the person, cut them out off your life, damn them to Hell WHAT?!?! Jesus, Keith's comment what not needed and it was a put down...and yes it pissed me OFF..live with it.

[Berry Cool]

65. We're the "drama queens"? That's a laugh.

First of all, you're the one who saw fit to start a thread with this title:

Where the Hell does Keith O. get off?!?!?!?!?!?

and you go on to say

"I generally enjoy KO but that statement PISSED ME OFF!!! HOW DARE HE SPEAK FOR MILLIONS OF US!"

Oh, no "drama queening" there. :rofl:

Hey, I got nothing against being angry at someone you care about or love. But don't waste it on something this small. So he thought it was a "good" speech and you thought it was a "great" one. So what? Is it worth all this anger as evidenced above?

It's your right to be pissed off. I'd just save my pissed-offness for something else.

Think about it. He even described Gore as the man who won the popular vote in 2000. You think that wasn't on purpose? He didn't have to bring that point up again. But he did.

Doesn't sound like an M$M corporate whore to me. But I sure saw a few other people in this thread accuse him of just that.

[bpilgrim]

58. no, we get to criticize him just like everyone else

they'll GET OVER IT

peace

[Berry Cool]

68. And I still disagree with you, bpilgrim.

I think you're wrong.

Get over it

peace

[bpilgrim]

79. drama queen

:P

peace

[Garbo 2004]

44. Gore isn't a great orator. Doesn't mean he doesn't have something powerful

and important that needs to be said and heard. I rather doubt KO's observation on Gore's oratorical skills implied the latter. Have to see the transcript.

[hopeisaplace]

48. Hubby and I thought Gore's speech was awesome

[Berry Cool]

74. Direct quote

"While no one would say Mr. Gore has become a great speaker, he has definitely become a more forceful one, ripping into the president on a host of constitutional issues..."

So he used the word "no one" too broadly. Yeah. OK.

That, after reminding his audience that he was speaking of the man who won the 2000 popular vote, and exactly by how much.

If someone wants to be furious at him for that, or call him a whore to the corporate media, I guess that's their choice.

[txindy]

70. I am not even going to read any of the comments before saying this:

Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuun!

The KOEB will swoop out of their forum and hound you until you bow in apology to Keith for your criticizing someone who will never know it.

Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuun!

Okay, now I'll read the comments and find myself completely unsurprised.



Adding: Read it all. Nope, no surprises.



By the way, Al Gore rocked the house today. The White House. President Gore, for the impassioned, honest, heartfelt speech you delivered to the nation today, I must say,

:yourock: No doubt about it! :patriot:

[Berry Cool]

75. Oh, give me a break.

No need for anyone to swoop.

I believe if you check in on the KOEB tonight you will find quite a few people who agree with you about the speech. I for one thought it was quite fine and about time.

That doesn't mean I believe Keith has to be eviscerated for his misuse of the phrase "no one."

[txindy]

78. Like I said.

Not a single surprise.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

President Gore, :yourock:

[JohnyCanuck]

73. In contrast, here's a speaker who can really hold an audience enthralled

(As long as they are all Freepers and fundy Republicans). It's a George Bush Iraqi updated courtesy of David Letterman.

http://www.wimp.com/update/ (Click on link to play video. In Firefox I got sound only, no video, but it worked OK with IE)

[Berry Cool]

77. And I think Keith would agree that that would not be an example of an

enthralling speaker.

So, if * is not an enthralling speaker, does that automatically make Gore one? Sounds like an interesting form of alchemy to me. I'm just sayin'.

Let's judge each man on his individual speaking merits...or lack thereof.

[MODemocrat]

76. I certainly don't need K.O. to tell me anything about Gore's speech

Does he think we have a hearing or communication problem, and he has to discypher it for us?
This was a historical speech and extremely well presented by the great Al Gore.:patriot: :patriot:

[mondo joe]

81. I don't think Gore is a good speaker either. Is that the new litmus test

for us?

Are we allowed to disagree?

[derby378]

88. Don't hate me, but...

Gore's speaking style always seemed kinda forced to me. Compare his style with that of Howard Dean, for example.

[soothsayer]

91. To me, he's like a big, stiff lizard. No oomph.

[bettyellen]

95. THE FIRST FULL 10 MIN OF HIS SHOW ON GORE/ NON-PARTISAN EFFORT

to investigate the spy program and the pres' self- extention of powers. He picked the best clips, and had great analysis. where else did you see such fair reporting, i want to know?
what a nit-picker. you want he should be a total shill like the faux guys. sheesh. and he went straight to Ney. i loved it.

[AtomicKitten]

97. Olbermann was straddling the fence,

not sure how Gore's speech was received, rather than deciding for himself.

Weak IMO.

[B Calm]

98. What bugs me, is the way Gore hesitates before saying one word

in almost every sentence. Other than that, I wish I could speak as powerful and clearly as him.

[bklyncowgirl]

99. Here's a take from some non-Democrats

My daughter and her boyfriend were listening to the speech--at least the early part of it--and were not impressed with Gore's delivery.

"He always hesitates before a big word, like we're not going to understand it." Daughter. "Bush does that too but that's because they have them spelled out on his teleprompter so he can read them "cons__tit__tush__in__al"

"He's talking down to us." Boyfriend.

These are kids who will be of age to vote in 2006. We need them.

They left before Gore got into the hard hitting stuff later--they might have liked that better--he really got on a roll and lost some of those affectations but as much as I like Gore--and if he runs he has my support in the primaries--he really needs to learn to talk like a human being.

Actually, I thought Olberman's coverage was pretty good. He played fairly long segments of the speech, he was intrigued by the bipartisan cooperation with Barr--even though it didn't work right and while the guy from Newsweek was about what you would expect--all in all it was about the best I'd seen.

[ComerPerro]

101. I can't think of a talking head in the media who would say that

That is, who would say Gore is a great speaker.

He is good, and he is much better than Bush, in every category and every aspect of public speaking.

But good luck hearing someone on Faux News or CNN say that...

[Orsino]

103. Not a great speaker.

But yesterday, he was powerful.

Of course, it helps to have a powerful message, one which few other speakers have been willing to touch. If only he'd made this speech years ago, he could still be our president.

[Strawman]

105. Above all else he's going to be cheeky

It's his cynical media bias in the Sportscenter sytle.

[apollo56]

106. You shove it - I like Gore but KO tells it like it is!

WATCH FOX IF YOU DON;;T LIKE IT!