Dean says Bush is in the grip of neocons with a bizarre worldview.

[madfloridian]

He said on The Situation Room today that the president's timing was awful. He goes into the role that the neoconservatives have played in this administration.

DEAN: The problem -- the president's timing is awful. Where was the president five or six years ago when North Korea was violating their obligations? He was divided because he wouldn't listen to the people who understood what was going on like Colin Powell. He was in the grip of these neoconservatives who had this bizarre world view of how things are going to work out.

The president's timing is awful. He's always making the wrong step at the wrong time. The fact that he's going to the security council is a very good idea. They've been fooling around with that for four years. What he should have done is gone to the security council a long time ago, made the deal with China, which was perfectly easy to understand.

What they want is food, fuel and ultimately a pact that we won't attack them. We could do that in response for a verifiable nuclear disarmament with people on the ground. It's a perfectly simple deal. This president seems unable to do it because of the divisions in his administration.

And he makes very clear again that the DNC will not get involved in the Connecticut primary.

DEAN: John, I'm going to campaign for the Democratic nominee, and if it's Joe Lieberman, you're going to see me alongside Joe Lieberman. If it's Ned Lamont, you're going to see me alongside Ned Lamont. We don't get involved in primaries. We do support the Democratic nominee chosen by the people in the Democratic Party in Connecticut.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0607/07/sitroom.01.html

[Just Me]

1. The arrogant f*ckers disrupted global stability,....

,...and have profitted their vulgar corporacrats on the backs of American citizens. Animals don't behave in such a way. Therefore, they are worse than animals.

[Cha]

2. That's right, Dean!

"We do support the Democratic nominee chosen by the people in the Democratic Party in Connecticut."

busharbusto should have been dealing with real threats like North Korea instead of made up threats like sadam{with the help of people like woofie in the situation room or whatever the heck it was called when the drums were beating for bombing Iraq).

Yeah, I'd say bush's timing stinks.

[madfloridian]

4. And glad to see the word neoconservative used.

They truly do have a bizarre view of the world.

[blm]

5. Media won't play it, but.....Remember this gem from the debates?

from a post by DUer pirhana:

Kerry

"With respect to North Korea, the real story: We had inspectors and television cameras in the nuclear reactor in North Korea. Secretary Bill Perry negotiated that under President Clinton. And we knew where the fuel rods were. And we knew the limits on their nuclear power.

Colin Powell, our secretary of state, announced one day that we were going to continue the dialog of working with the North Koreans. The president reversed it publicly while the president of South Korea was here.

And the president of South Korea went back to South Korea bewildered and embarrassed because it went against his policy. And for two years, this administration didn't talk at all to North Korea.

While they didn't talk at all, the fuel rods came out, the inspectors were kicked out, the television cameras were kicked out. And today, there are four to seven nuclear weapons in the hands of North Korea.

That happened on this president's watch.

Now, that, I think, is one of the most serious, sort of, reversals or mixed messages that you could possibly send."
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From CNN

Kerry said the U.S. should open bilateral talks with North Korea in addition to talks with the current coalition of nations -- the U.S. and five of North Korea's neighbors.

Bush thinks that's a bad idea.

"It's not going to work if we open up a dialogue with Kim Jong Il," Bush said. "He wants to unravel the six- party talks, or the five-nation coalition that's sending him a clear message."

A presidential hopeful in 2000, McCain said he thought that no U.S. president has ever proposed bilateral talks with North Korea on nuclear weapons.

North Korea has refused international demands that it dismantle its nuclear weapons program after agreeing during the Clinton administration to do so.

Kerry used the issue to question Bush's trustworthiness.

"Just because the president says it can't be done, that you'd lose China, doesn't mean it can't be done," Kerry said. "I mean, this is the president who said 'There were weapons of mass destruction,' said 'Mission accomplished,' said we could fight the war on the cheap -- none of which were true."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/debate.main/i ...

[Cha]

7. Thank you for that, blm.

Cause I didn't remember and am happy to be enlightened.

Too bad the corporate media won't bring that up about Kerry and what he said in the "debate" with bush.

We need a media who will investigate the truth of what's happened and not a pr wing of this white house with a twist of diversionary tactics.

[blm]

14. Media is picking up RW talking points that Clinton is to blame - on this

they are completely wrong - this is 100% Bush's policy failure, and it's going to be up to us to beat this back, and the debate counter by Kerry does the trick.

[madfloridian]

8. The media was lousy. All they did was sensationalize things.

They never had anything sensible or clear, and they did not cover important things our Democrats said.

They are still doing it. They are totally ineffective.

[blm]

9. I think all the Dem candidates talked about NKorea more than Bush did.

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[JNelson6563]

10. But the Democrats have no ideas!!

:sarcasm:

[stepnw1f]

3. I Sincerely Believe the Neo-cons Need to Be Destroyed

Those involved in the last 6 years need to be tried at the Hague. Once they are gone, we will have peace and stability.

[madfloridian]

6. .."nice thing about our party is we don't dictate from the top down."

KING: "I want to -- I want to jump in and talk to -- I want to jump in because we're almost out of time. What about nationally? You know what's going on in the party. You know what the base is saying on the Internet and everywhere else about this race. They are making this a defining choice for Democrats, watching to see what people do now that Senator Lieberman...

DEAN: The nice thing about our party is we don't dictate from the top down. We actually let voters make decisions. And I think that's a very healthy thing to do. I encourage voters to make decisions, and who they choose is who we support."

[JNelson6563]

11. Amen Governor!

Too bad it could take a generation for this to be reality everywhere.

Julie

[madfloridian]

12. He says it will be long term. It will take a while.

Julie, you might be interested in this thread at MyDD. The OP is interesting, and some of the comments are very perceptive.

http://mydd.com/story/2006/7/7/15292/67379

[madfloridian]

13. CT blogger, spazeboy, has the video up of the interview.

http://www.spazeboy.net/category/ct-sen/ned-lamont

Dean must have said the same thing 4 different ways, and John King kept asking it over and over.

[kentuck]

15. Dr. Dean, the entire Republican Party is in the grip of the neo-cons.

It's not just Bush.

[cantstandbush]

16. So why do I get so much flack for saying the same thing? nt

[kentuck]

17. Do you have a link?

i can't understand why anyone would give you flack for saying that??

[madfloridian]

20. Most of my family are Republicans.

They are the real kind though, and they are now realizing their party was hijacked by this cabal in the WH. I would venture to say it is the ones in leadership roles, who head committees, etc.

I think a lot of true Republicans are horrified.

[Vidar]

18. Howard nails it again!

[Toots]

19. Maybe if Dean screamed it they would give it some air time

Very few in America will ever hear what he has to say.

[madfloridian]

21. I noticed something about this interview.

I have only seen spazeboy put up the video. There has been no coverage of it. I have read several blog posts who say they contacted the DNC to find out what he said they would do on this issue of Lieberman.

It is amazing to me that the media just doesn't cover things. It was not posted at Kos or any other left wing blog than I could find.

He spoke clearly on NK and on Lamont, and the media is getting so bad...including our left wing, so-called bloggers...that it got no coverage.

Here is part of what he said about CT.

"DEAN: You know, opposition to the war in Iraq is one factor among many factors that voters in Connecticut are going to make up their mind on. We do not get involved in primaries, I will say again. This is up to the voters in the Democratic primary in the state of Connecticut. They will choose. They will make ...

KING: I want to -- I want to jump in and talk to -- I want to jump in because we're almost out of time. What about nationally? You know what's going on in the party. You know what the base is saying on the Internet and everywhere else about this race. They are making this a defining choice for Democrats, watching to see what people do now that Senator Lieberman...

DEAN: The nice thing about our party is we don't dictate from the top down. We actually let voters make decisions. And I think that's a very healthy thing to do. I encourage voters to make decisions, and who they choose is who we support."

I posted it here, and I have not seen it anywhere else except at the HEP blog.

We want our Democrats to speak out, yet they don't get noticed when they do. Kerry even said I think that he was staying out of the primary there, and it doesn't get noticed either.

I remember when a short but strong interview got picked up at other sites with the video clip up in no time. Where the DNC stands on this is very important, and it just did not get much coverage other than this interview.

[Just Me]

22. What I most abhor is the FUCKING COMPLICITY OF THE MEDIA!

I refuse to buy any conglomerate paper or telecast. I support independent news.

[Disturbed]

23. Busholini is mentally deficient.

He is not qualified for the job and he is a vindictive ASHOLE.

[madfloridian]

24. The "corporate" media is going after bloggers on our side now.

They are juat attacking them viciously, ones like Kos and any connected with him. Ever since Yearly Kos they have done this. There is no one in the mainstream media to defend them/us either. It is like we are on our own.