Bush says Geneva Conventions do not apply to Guantanamo Bay

[lovuian]

Bush says Geneva Conventions do not apply to Guantanamo Bay
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=7fb510b184d8f5b5

U.S. President George Bush says the people being held at Guantanamo Bay do not fall under the Geneva Conventions because they do not represent a country.

At a news conference Friday in Chicago, Bush said though he will adhere to the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision saying he exceeded his authority in ordering military tribunals for Guantanamo inmates, he is convinced this is different than what any president has been through before.
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So take that Supreme Court!!! Bush is telling ya your WRONG!!!

[Ready4Change]

1. A direct challenge to Checks and Balances.

Republicans should be aware that Bush is setting a precedent for any Democratic Presidents who will follow him in office.

[MrSlayer]

19. The way they have it set up there may never be another D President.

So I'm not sure they are all that concerned about the possibility. They are doing all that they are doing for a reason.

[Liberal In Texas]

2. He thinks he's above the law.

Hence, his signing statements where he pretty much says he will ignore laws congress has passed.

Unitary Executive = Dictator

nuf said

[intheflow]

25. nuf said.

And yet not said enough.

This man and his puppet masters want a dictatorship.

[Ringo84]

3. Question:

Who died and appointed Emperor Jackass Head Poobah Of What's Legal And what Ain't?

What an asshole.
Ringo

[pinto]

4. Enough of President as victim. 9/11 didn't change our Constitution...

[Maccagirl]

7. Bush was never a victim of 9/11

That horrid event is the gift that keeps on giving (at least in his demented mind).

[pinto]

9. Ain't that the truth, yet he subtly portrays himself as one...

[johnaries]

5. Why am I not surprised?

So he's written hundreds of "signing statements" saying to Congress "this part doesn't apply to me - go fuck yourselves"

And now he's telling the SCOTUS "this doesn't apply to me - go fuck yourselves".

He's so predictable, it's sad.
No, seriously, it really is sad....
:cry:

[SensibleAmerican]

6. Bush has one of two choices, legally

Treat them as criminal defendants or as prisoners of war. There is no third option, yet.

[lovuian]

17. Its their that they are not in uniforms

and Bush knows the law not the Supreme Court...

[lovuian]

18. proof that he is a dictator

not a president...

and he wants DEMOCRACY

NOT he wants to DESTROY IT

[bobthedrummer]

8. Fascism has been here for awhile-Mr. Bush's decrees are part of it.

And some people think it will get better in November!

[ladjf]

10. It's not smart to "flip off" the Supremes, even if they are mostly

your guys. Those guys are in there for life and could , on occasion think clearly. (Or, am I just dreaming?)

[madrchsod]

11. bigtree posted this yesterday and he is right on the money

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1587160
Afghanistan was the nation-state Bush decided al-Qaeda belonged to

[Swamp Rat]

12. Osama Bin Bushler has already started his Jihad... no stopping him now.

[Ravy]

13. Supreme Court says they do. Checkmate (n/t)

Well, at least it would be checkmate if there was a Congress to hold him accountable.

[TahitiNut]

14. The Geneva Conventions do not condone the kind of illegal "war"

... that the Bushoilini fascists have launched. They have invaded and occupied nations NOT at war with us and killed or imprisoned anyone resisting these crimes against peace. To the degree that the Conventions don't specifically identify the treatment of these kinds of prisoners it is because their imprisonment was itself a criminal act, the result of a criminal act. The Conventions deal with the treatment of combatants in a "legal" war by a "law-abiding" nation. It's neither logical nor sane to expect the Conventions to accommodate the actions of this criminal regime by specifying how to treat people who should have never been captured or imprisoned in the first place. It cannot be regarded as either a crime or an act of war to resist a war crime.

[HuffleClaw]

15. meep

that really is contemptible. a horror.

[enough]

16. k&r

[undeterred]

20. Then I think the conventions of impeachment don't apply to Bush

Lets just take over the White House and install President Kerry, who rightfully won the presidency. Let's put Bush in prison without counsel, without being charged, for as long as it takes to clean up the mess he's made, which will probably be the rest of his natural life.

And lets put him in one of those prisons where the Geneva conventions don't apply, that seems fair.

[Disturbed]

21. The Rethugs and Dems in Congress will

craft Legislation to grant the Fascist Regime what it demands.

[Singular73]

22. This is propoganda, left-wing style.

Sorry folks, I call em as I see em.

Bush's position, though I'm sure he's lying, was actually that he was waiting for the court's decision on this matter, and that he will adhere to it, and that yes, these people HE thought, didn't qualify for Geneva Convention status, but specifically, that he was waiting for the court to make a decision on that, which they now have.

He did NOT say that he will not follow the ruling, or dismissed the fact that they are NOW considered to be under Geneva Convention rules, per Supreme Court judgement.

There is enough blame and anger to be thrown at this adminstration without making shit up.

[struggle4progress]

27. No. It is now a matter of record that the Administration quite early ..

.. became concerned by the possibility of War Crimes Act prosecutions associated with violations of the Geneva Conventions and was therefore eager to argue that the Geneva Conventions did not apply. In this matter, I suggest you look up the 9 Jan 02 memo to William Haynes from John Yoo and Robert Delabunty, which is a contorted effort to argue that -- although the Geneva Conventions so clearly say they apply that Yoo and Delabunty are forced to admit they apply -- still the Administration will be able to say the Conventions do not apply. It is a stunning example of the mendacity that has plagued the Administration and its supporters from the beginning.

[w4rma]

23. He's trying to game the system. (nt)

[UTUSN]

24. Flash: Protections are needed for ANY prisoners in ANY circumstances

I have not read the Conventions. Perhaps the language needs to be updated if it only refers to uniformed comabatants of nation states. That's what's called the LETTER. The SPIRIT would clearly be that anybody being held PRISONER by anybody needs basic guarantees at the level of bare humanity. What demonic a-holes would deny that to anybody? (Even THEY should get those protections.)

[bettyellen]

26. Exactly: Is someone going to ask him WHAT RULES APPLY THEN? NONE?

[Toots]

28. So if they are not prisoners of war does that mean there is no war?

:shrug: they never follow their logic to it's logical conclusions. Vietnam where we were engaged with the third largest army in the world at the time was considered a Police Action but this "War on Terra" where we are not engaged with any army at all, just civilians is War..:crazy: Give me a break...Truly what is wrong with the American people? Are we really a nation of retards?