Should the southern states have been readmitted?

[RB TexLa]

[texasleo]

1. Other

[Liberal In Texas]

2. It must be getting late. A really stupid poll just popped up.

And I haven't had enough to drink to either take it seriously or treat it as a joke.

Where's an admin (like where's the cops!) when you need them. This is flame-bate region bashing.

Good night.

!

[Syrinx]

3. Really, what is the point of a garbage post like this?

:shrug:

[Liberal In Texas]

5. There is no point. The OP is bored and trying to stir up some

excitement in his boring life.

[RB TexLa]

6. no, It brings up interesting alternative histories

which I find enjoyable to discuss.

[SensibleAmerican]

7. What would the purpose of war been had it not been to force the South back

It would have been a war in vain ...

You have to accept 1 of 2 premises:

1. The South wins
2. The North lets the South secede

[RB TexLa]

8. Being a territory of a country is not a successful secession

[SensibleAmerican]

9. True

But Lincoln or the new government would have had to change his stance on the legal right to secede.

[RB TexLa]

10. I guess the question would be if a geographic area's status as a state

is guaranteed once granted





spelling on edit

[SensibleAmerican]

11. Constitutionally, yes

n/t

[RB TexLa]

12. But no one stopped the creation of West Va

did that go to court?

[SensibleAmerican]

13. Good point

I'm going to Google this and search Wikipedia.

[SensibleAmerican]

14. There was a creation of a reorganized government of Virginia

This government authorized West Virginia's creation.

[RB TexLa]

17. right, would still say it was shaky constitutionally

[RB TexLa]

15. I've read about it before but don't remember if it went to federal court

I know there was controversy and the issues of there not being the ability to create a state out of another and if they were going to allow it then they were accepting Virgina as not being a state.

[Liberal In Texas]

16. It might be an interesting thing to discuss in the fiction section.

Like alien abductions.

Alternative fiction has its place. I agree.

But you don't put it up like that, and you know it. You are being disingenuous.

You are trying to flame bait.

If you really want to discuss alternative fiction scenarios, go to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=208

[RB TexLa]

18. It also was a factual, historical debate and decision

[SensibleAmerican]

19. It's turned into a good discussion

Leave it be ... :)

[Liberal In Texas]

20. WHERE did this become a GOOD DISCUSSION???

Bullshit. (Edited to not say INTERESTING.)

This is flame-bait and you know it.

[SensibleAmerican]

27. Well then quit commenting on it if you don't like it ...

n/t

[Liberal In Texas]

29. I don't need you to lecture me about when to comment.

And welcome to DU. I think.

[SensibleAmerican]

4. They didn't have the legal right to secede

Can you believe we would all have been Republicans back then?

[Bucky]

23. I'd've been a Whig. Or a Know Nothing. I'd've been a GREAT Know Nothing

Of course if I was a Whig, you hard core abolitionists would have called me a WINO. And dammit, you woulda been right!

[RoyGBiv]

28. Ummm ...

The American Party (Know Nothings) was full of racist xenophobes, the 19th century equivalent of the superpatriot who wanted to rename french fries to freedom fries. Most people don't realize this, I understand, but I thought you might want to before saying you'd make a "great" one.

"I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except Negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics." When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy." -- A. Lincoln

[Rocinante]

21. A different way to look at it...

should the United States have become a place of different countries? That would have been a hell of a mess right up to today.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Not without paying the cover charge again.

No ins and outs.

[Bucky]

24. But Johnson said they were still wearing their glowy green paper bracelets

Plus Virginia was with the band

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Oh, yeah, that's what they all say.

I think Alabama stole his hand stamp off a drunk passed out in the alley.

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Order the popcorn, because I'm gonna say...

the only real reason for not allowing secession was that it might have given Pennsylvania, New York, and Massachussetts ideas.

So we let the Confederacy go off on its merry way, and they have to pay us for the part of the Louisiana Purchase they keep, and and make some deals over a few things like their participation in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. We get all the good stuff, including the western territories and maybe Mexico doesn't recognize them as signatories to GH and takes Texas back. No doubt operatives in State would be making all sorts of backroom deals there.

We no longer have to send back runaway slaves, so the black migrations to the Rust Belt start earlier and we get the workers while they keep barren cotton fields.

Dunno if Mark Twain would have moved to Connecticut, though. They might have kept him.

And Midwest river traffic down through New Orleans would be a problem.

[RoyGBiv]

30. Moot question ...

The legal status of the so-called seceded states was that they were in rebellion, ergo were never "out" of the Union. The process by which these states became full members of the body politic is, for the sake of convenience, sometimes called "readmission," and some politicians at the time thought in those terms, but for the process actually to be akin to readmission, legally speaking, one has to grant the validity of secession itself, which would have opened up a whole new set of legal problems.

[Selatius]

31. When they left, Lincoln SHOULD HAVE LET THEM LEAVE

Peace was preferable to several hundred dead soldiers. Slavery was an atrocity, but an atrocity in the face of another is not the way.

[lildreamer316]

32. EXCUSE ME?

WHAT the hell kinda question is that?

What
ever.

NOT another run of South-bashing on the DU.

My ancestors do include (PERSONALLY) Robert. E. Lee.

I love what America has been and could be again.

Let's DROP this, you are just distracting from the important discussions at hand.
Thanks for the divisive subject, just what we needed.:eyes:

[Heidi]

33. Locking.

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