Check in if youve been called a looney for saying the election was stolen

[undeterred]

or saying you think Bush had a hand in allowing 911.

:spray: I'm a looney conspiracy theorist. :spray:

[lisa58]

1. I can't say I was actually "called" a looney...

...it was more the looks I received.

[leftofthedial]

bofum

[sea urchin]

33. Meetwo

I have a rabid *ite sister who sees nothing but black & white, preferaly what she reads in the local paper and sees on Faux. Refuses to see any of the obvious signs that he was behind 9/11 and every "terror threat" since then, including this latest train fiction.

[skylarmae]

2. me too -

and all too often by Mormon family...gives new meaning to the term, black sheep of the family.

[helderheid]

17. Are you in Utah?

[acmavm]

3. Oh yeah, I've always said this election was stolen. And oh yeah, I've

been verbally abused and insulted. Happily some of the early scoffers are learning that maybe, as I've always pointed out, I was right. Me and a few million of my more intelligent fellow citizens.

[Greyhound]

4. I've been call far worse, but I'm used to it.

An outcast in my own country for my whole life, but;

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/greyhound1966/12

:hi:

[leftchick]

5. I am a pinko!

pinkochick! :toast:

[MrSlayer]

6. I have.

For not accepting the fact that this country is majority conservative and that I'm just a sore loser. Most people are fools.

[robinlynne]

7. all the time. a bit tired of it.

[DistressedAmerican]

8. This game has generated many such responses when posted at freep sites.

I bet you can "Spot the President" faster than they did.

http://spottheprez.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[undeterred]

9. My friend said "only a looney would believe that Bush had a hand in 911"

so I told him I was a looney.

He is very liberal but he still thinks the NYT is a reliable indicator of what's happening in the world.

"If THAT happened, you couldn't keep it out of the NYT". :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"You couldn't get THAT many people to keep a secret like that". Yes you can, if they are intimidated enough.

[itzamirakul]

10. I have received many derogatory or condescending comments

whenever I express my conviction that both elections were stolen and that 9/11 was a construct of certain people who are now in major positions of power in running the government of this country.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am a realist.
Those who dish out the so-called terrorist attacks and those who believe the lies they are being told are the real conspiracy theorists.

[Straight Shooter]

11. I haven't been called names, but I've seen people's eyes roll.

Yes, indeed, the same people whose eyes rolled when I told them pre-invasion that Iraq did not have WMD.

For the election, I reiterate the fact that the New York Times (maybe WSJ, too) was ready to print the story of the vote actually going to Gore, when -- boom!-- imagine that, we got attacked.

For the 9/11 conspiracy, it only takes two people to make a conspiracy, and perhaps bush wasn't actively a conspirator, but in fact his criminal negligence played a major role. I just let people know how much bush has benefited Osama's goals as time goes on, starting first with pulling our military from Saudi Arabia, to getting rid of Saddam, to recruiting fresh members for AQ which was a spindly organization, and of course being so incompetent as to refuse to listen to advice and warnings about the impending attack. Yes, bush has been the very best thing for AQ, ever.

[Balbus]

12. I've called people who believe both those looney.

And I still believe you're looney if you believe that crap.

[undeterred]

13. Naivete is painless

until you finally realize how long you've suffered from it.

[laylah]

14. A proud looney

checking in :hi:

[lonestarnot]

15. Dave Chappelle YEAYA!

Now I understand! LOL

[helderheid]

16. Hi!

:hi:

[applegrove]

18. Evidence of many ways of voter suppression. Just no exacting proof

that diebold actually switched votes in massive numbers. But 49 other kinds.

[bullimiami]

19. im a loony conspiracy theorist for 2 stolen pres elections, senate and

cong races, 9/11 mihop, towers detonated, pentagon oddities ... and on and on and on....

[Ready4Change]

20. Called looney for saying anyone but Liberals would alter elections.

And yet, the same people could not be convinced that our election systems are endangered.

[B Calm]

21. I don't give a damn what they call me, I still tell them what they don't

want to hear!

[undeterred]

23. Amen!

:hi:

[mnhtnbb]

22. Oh, yeah. Good friend from where we used to live said I'd lost it.

At the time, I was referring to the trend toward fascism in this country.
Pre-election 2004.

I believed the 2000 election was stolen. I believe the 2004 election was stolen. And like Mark Crispin Miller, I believe the 2006 and 2008 elections will be stolen, too, unless the Dems in leadership positions acknowledge the problem and DO something about it.

[Botany]

24. A black liberal pro gay rights women with no $ or name factor beat Kerry?

About 80,000 people showed up and voted for a black liberal pro gay rights women with no $ or name factor
but not John Kerry ..... that is 80,000 Kerry votes that got switched to bush .... so you have 80 k x 2 = 160,000
vote swing from Kerry to bush .... Kerry won, get over it.


Raw data

http://www.sos.state.oh.us:80/sos/ElectionsVoter/results2004.aspx?Section=135

Ohio Presidential Results

http://www.sos.state.oh.us:80/sos/ElectionsVoter/results2004.aspx?Section=138

2004

Ohio Supreme Court election results

It is the real conspiracy freaks who can see the tons of evidence, testimonies,
and hard proof (Warren County, OH shut down for Terrorist warnings) and say nothing happened.

[Imajika]

25. Ya, I've called people loony for both..

The stolen election thing, in my view, is just an easy way out of accepting we lost. Problem is, it's self defeating. The more people who are convinced we can't win even if we try, the less that bother to get engaged and vote. The whole thing is really stupid in my view. Hell, on DU these days, any left of center candidate loses an election anywhere in the world and it MUST have been stolen. Apparently, left of center candidates simply can't lose at the ballot box you see. What silliness. I used to scream to anyone who'd listen that Bev "I've got the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers" Harris of Black Box Voting was a fraud. It was pretty unpopular stating such heresy here on DU, but eventually she was exposed as the utter fraud I knew she was. I wasn't the only one, there were a few others here whom also that saw through her BS (though we were all attacked relentlessly for daring to challenge her and the prevailing DU wisdom).

The LIHOP and MIHOP theories are just a way for many to reconcile their world view and 9-11. Bush is so evil that everything bad that happens must be his fault. Or, there is no way that a frightening minority of Muslims really do view us infidels worthy of slaughter (even Muslims living amongst us in the West). Or, Bush consolidated his "fascist" grip on American via 9-11. All nonsense. Shit happens. Actual Muslims that hate America had been planning this long before Bush was appointed President by the Supreme Court. If Gore had been President, the odds are 9-11 would have happened the same way. Sure, Gore would have responded better, but it still probably would have happened.

The believers of these things won't be convinced. I've spent time in the election fraud and 9-11 forum dungeons. I've seen beyond stupid mathematical "analysis" of exit polls which are accepted as truth by far too many on DU. I've seen posts where people actually burn up rabbit cages with kerosene and try to claim it scientifically shows the towers couldn't have fallen - and posted the ridiculous pictures no less. At this point, I just chuckle hoping the Democratic Party never gets associated with such foolishness.

I am not a loony conspiracy theorist, but I have absolutely called others that - and will certainly continue to do so when appropriate.

[undeterred]

26. I'm not a loony conspiracy theorist, I'm a LOONEY conspiracy theorist.

Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.

[Imajika]

28. Ya, ya..

And we didn't really land on the moon, and aliens really landed at Area 51, and bigfoot really exists, and the Trilateral Committee is really controlling the West, etc, etc, etc.

All nonsense.

The next time Democrats sweep the elections, the entire election fraud conspiracy thing will be forgotten by most, regarded as an embarssing chapter in DU's history by others. Just remember, the more people you sell on this theory, the less voters you actually have to make ridding GOP control of Congress and the White House a reality.

The next time a Democrat wins the White House and it turns out LIHOP or MIHOP didn't really happen the entire issue will be forgotten, or written off as just a couple fringe types who actually believed such such nonsense (rather than a disturbing number of folks on this forum). Just remember, the more people you convert to such insanity, the more likely average Americans bolt to the other side to escape obvious silliness.

Up to you.

[undeterred]

32. I can't even begin to follow your reasoning.

But it sounds like you always believe what you're told by the authorities; you are eager to assign disparaging labels to people who disagree with you; you try to discredit people you disagree with by projecting all kinds of things onto them.

:hurts:


I guess you also believe that global warming is just a freaky idea invented by a few tree huggers, there really are WMDs in Iraq and we just haven't found them yet, and Bush is the "responsibility" president.

:sarcasm:

And the name calling really does a lot to make people reconsider.

:sarcasm:

[Imajika]

38. Well, I thought my points were pretty clear...

"I can't even begin to follow your reasoning"

....but if your struggling, I will comment no further and give you time to digest what I've previously said.

[shadowknows69]

27. Aye

Some of my best friends are also loonies.

[nosmokes]

29. 'lo there

wait and see what they call ya when you tell 'em the mexican election was stolen by the bushco regime.

[Flying Dream Blues]

30. Count me in...multiple times. Family and former friends. nt

[Greybnk48]

31. Yup. I've been chided and laughed at by some of my family

some I don't particularly like anyway so no matter (at least they're Dems). My sister thought I needed a shrink. She read Rolling Stone and some other articles in the paper and I recently got the "you may have been right" phone call from her, which was gratifying.

I was asked at work, very kindly by a psychologist I work with, that I should remove my Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker a few weeks after the election. I, of course, refused...it's still there. Some people I work with have put new ones on since '04, which I just love. Others kept theirs on as well.

Conspiracy theory my foot. It's conspiracy fact!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

34. my own hubby says i am

[undeterred]

35. I hesitate to say this but

its often men who are the last to come around and see the light. :hide:

But not all men~ truthisall and spooked911 are my heroes.

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. this one a conservative bootstrap fundagelical anyway

[Blue_In_AK]

37. Everybody I know thinks it was stolen...

Granted, I have a small circle of friends....

[leeroysphitz]

39. It's never happened to me but...

I have been called a communist for daring to suggest that millions of children shouldn't be going without health insurance in the worlds richest nation.

[undeterred]

40. I saw a bumper sticker that said

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait till its free."

I can't believe that someone is more worried about their taxes than about millions of uninsured people. Going to single payer would reduce costs anyway, but the conservatives hang on to that argument because they love to see people suffer.

[MissWaverly]

41. Yes on both Counts

Now I am being called that over wiretapping

[undeterred]

42. Ah. so you're a paranoid looney

I'll bet you believe in global warming too. :shrug:

[MissWaverly]

45. Yes, I do

I was talking to a friend the other day, she said, "I thought you were crazy but it seems like
everything you said is now in the papers. I think that you were right about this vote stealing
and the cover up on 9-11."

[undeterred]

47. Thats great!

I think we've all been raised to wait upon the media to give something legitimacy. What I often hear is, "if that's true, why isn't it in the newspaper?" Like "why isn't there a scoop"?

I gave that up after 911 because I could feel the media protecting Bush and I had that sick gut feeling you get when you know you are being lied to. Do politicians always tell us the truth? Do teachers or writers or news anchors? I am sometimes embarrassed at my own naivete - I'm never the first to suspect a lie. I believed there were WMDs in Iraq when plenty of people were saying otherwise.

Bush has lied and broken the law, and shown how little he respects any kind of law. Why anyone would believe his version of anything any more is beyond me! But as long as the media keeps reporting things from the right wing point of view, people don't question it.

[MissWaverly]

48. this will be known as the Age of Deception

[Swamp Rat]

43. People thank me for informing them about the truth

I have a way of changing people's minds! BWAHAHAHA!!!

[Jawja]

44. I've said it and have never been called a looney.

In fact, I was surprised that some family members I wouldn't have thought actually agreed with me.

[earth mom]

46. I'm not looking forward to saying "I TOLD YOU SO"...

because by then it may be too late for this country.

:tinfoilhat:

p.s. It's those who are in denial that I consider "looney".

[Raksha]

49. Of course I've been called a looney!

I talk about the 2004 election on a mixed board, and have been ever since November 3, 2004. So naturally the freepers calls me a looney and a conspiracy freak, etc. I take it as a compliment.

Edited to fix typo.

[undeterred]

50. You must have nerves of steel

I've posted on a mixed, relatively unmoderated board and the nastiness there makes this place look tame.

[Raksha]

52. Well, I'm used to their nastiness--more or less.

I've been arguing with some of those people for 10 years on various discussion boards. There's one of them that I swear makes a hobby out of lying! I don't know how else to put it. He can always be depended on to know the latest Repuke talking points on any given day and to repeat them before anyone else.

Naturally nobody takes this guy seriously any more but it doesn't seem to bother him--although he does change screen names rather frequently. Probably his funniest posts are the happy-talk ones about the "roaring economy." Every time he posts one of those, another board member (a Dem) who is more financially sophisticated than I am advises the board: "Okay everybody--SELL!" He claims he's never lost money that way.

[Kansas Wyatt]

51. Nope, and people actually....

Get this look of enlightenment that something finally makes sense coming across their face, if they are not nodding in agreement to begin with.

[Vidar]

53. Yes, but looneys are acceptable currency just north in Canada.

[undeterred]

54. I remember that

although I haven't been there in a while... I thought my friend was making it up!

Isn't there a tooney too?

[defiant1]

55. Checking in....

The actual phrase was "goddamned liberal loony" but it's close enough.

d1

[rubberducky]

56. My family just exchange looks,

like "poor thing, we always knew she wasn`t "right"". But, do I give up and shut up? nnnnnnnnnooooooooooo, I just keep on keeping on. Wonder when they will wake up and discover maybe I was right!:P