US investigations into Iraqi deaths (list of what happened where)

[uppityperson]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5105284.stm
"The US military has been conducting a number of investigations into incidents of alleged unlawful killings by US forces in Iraq."

Haditha, Hamdaniya, Ishaqi, Tikrit, Mahmudiya incidents with links to other articles about them. Amazing. Nice to see it all together in 1 quick reference place. Appalling.

[MadMaddie]

1. It's Mai li all over again...isn't it? The question is will the brass

get off....or will they be prosecuted this time.....

[uppityperson]

2. I know. It is telling, having all these together on 1 page.

Occupying another country leads to atrocities. Having this list is quite something. I hope more show up (not hope that there are more incidents, but if there are that they get coverage) and that those prosecuted will be the higherups also.

[MadMaddie]

3. I think that the lies and the coverups from the Haditha incidents....

to Katrina...to....the phone jamming orchastrated by the WH...and many more lies....can only sustain themselves for so long...they can only defend so many lies and try to spin them....that's the achiles heel of this administration...they have never acknowledged truth and reality....


it will all fold upon itself eventually....

[uppityperson]

4. Yup. This is why I want more publicity of this crap.

People heard the administration saying 1 think (everything is under control) and SAW another on tv (chaos). Now they hear "everything is going great except for those foreign insurgents" and now need to SEE pictures of these incidents. The disconnect is becoming more obvious and I hope it implodes before much longer.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

5. My Lai (sp)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

[uppityperson]

6. My recollection is that My Lai was set up to show media (?) what...

what the military did. They were supposed to go in to village, check it out, have pictures taken to show how great things were going. However, they didn't tell the soldiers that, and the situation escalated into what it did, with much publicity. oops. We need more publicity of what is going on in Iraq. It would be nice to get info/pictures/etc more out of what happened in Fallujah too. I wonder if it will take these individual or small group atrocities to get people ("them") emotionally involved so to demand an end to the occupation. Sort of like a big thing is too much to handle, can only see it intellectually, but individual ones are emotional?

[NYC]

7. I don't think it had anything to do with the media.

A great deal of information about My Lai, Calley, and the hero Hugh Thompson can be found here:

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/mylai.htm

[uppityperson]

11. Thanks for the link. I can't remember well, but thought remembered this

It was supposed to be showing (someone?) how these raids were supposed to go, as an example of a big doing, but the soldiers rampaged (as had been happening), and people tried to cover it up from the beginning, except someone got the word and pictures out. Or was that another one of these VietNam happenings? Dang my memory. Thank you so much for this link.

[NYC]

13. Brief description of My Lai.

The day/night before, Medina (I forget his rank, but above Calley) told them they would raid the village in the early morning. He also made it sound as though everyone left in the village would be the enemy. (All others would have departed earlier.)

Yes, it was a rampage. Although Calley's lawyer (Kay?) described it as what people do when they want to live/survive, he didn't explain away the rapes (not necessary to survive) and that Calley himself, threw a 2 or 3 year old child who had crawled out of the ditch, back into the ditch, and shot him.

There were actually two heroes. One was Hugh Thompson, who ordered them to stop, and took some of the survivors in his helicopter to an army hospital. He returned later in the day, and rescued a child.

The other hero was a man who was not there, but heard about it, tracked down witnesses, then contacted a senator (Udall?). It was primarily because of him that there was an investigation (after the cursory investigation by the army).

That link I gave earlier has a great deal of information, much testimony, and pictures. Very interesting.

Edit: Ridenhour is the name of the second hero. He's the one who pursued the incident.

[MadMaddie]

15. Thanks..

[NYC]

8. I note this is the BBC.

Not in the U.S. press, I suppose.

[uppityperson]

9. I don't know if it is put in this form in the USA press.

[NYC]

10. Probably not.

That's just an assumption on my part, but likely to be true.

[uppityperson]

12. I just did a search, nothing under "news" with these names beyond BBC, but

found a couple blogs but nothing on all these names together in USA media, just BBC.

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[Disturbed]

16. Military investigating itself has always

struck me as a bit strange.

[malaise]

17. The entire invasion and

occupation are unlawful and illegal therefore all Iraqi deaths are genocide. The BBCs attempt to suggest legitimacy and 'investigations' is nothing but undiluted 'fuckery'. The only appropriate investigations should be conducted at The Hague and Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi and Blair should be on trial for crimes against humanity.