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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:07 AM
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Poll question: What causes tyranny?
Real heavy-duty tyranny, where millions die or live in misery... like the Soviet Union of the 50s, 60s and 70s, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Mao's China or Kim Jung Il's North Korea?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:09 AM
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1. Lethargy and complacency.
I'll see your cigs and raise you a cuppa Joe.

Redstone
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:12 AM
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4. They enable it for sure
But semantics aside, you make a good point. I'd also add poverty and desperation as enablers.
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:18 AM
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7. I'm with RS on this.
Edited on Sun Jul-09-06 01:19 AM by Wwagsthedog
Add willful ignorance to the mix and you get a feel for modern Amerika.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:10 AM
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2. Greed & Conquest + Fear & Loathing
Hallmarks of the GOP/Fundies.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:11 AM
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3. Tyrants cause tyranny.
Hello!
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:12 AM
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5. Well, that's a cult of personality, then.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:14 AM
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6. OIC.
You still have to have a personality to build the cult around, and that would be the tyrant. No?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:19 AM
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8. Your argument is that tyrants are born and not made
Fair enough, I suppose, but opportunity plays a large role, and his rise must be fueled by sentiment and loyalty among a significant percentage of the people. That's a cult of personality.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:26 AM
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11. No, that would be the answer to what causes tyrants
and I didn't say tyrants are born. But it's your poll, and I'll go along with the cult of personality.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:23 AM
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9. I disagree. It's a population seeking 'leaders' ...
... and 'heroes' to solve their problems for them. "My daddy can beat up your daddy" is the desired foreign and domestic policy of far too many people, imho.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:31 AM
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13. Not always
Some tyrants just take over, or are installed by outside forces. And many in the past attained power by birthright, or murdering their predecessors.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:24 AM
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10. Fear and loathing
because it is an all pervasive answer. Greed and conquest is for a minority. Dictators don't tyrannize because everyone is satisfied and happy or even seemingly complacent. they must because what they are and wish to do is loathsome to the general population when not swept up in hysteria. When hysteria wears off it is fear above all else.

Fear of going against the social order. Fear of consequences to oneself. That is the all purpose glue of tyrannies when someone co-opts all systems unto his degenerate self. The tyrant is afraid too, but he is Lord of all fear and tops the pyramid of power.

"Enlightened" despots are likewise afraid of the messiness of democracy and dissent. Fear is what moves the nations and the "good dictator". Funny, when prosperity increases and foes disappear there could be a resumption of democracy. But fear of change and upsetting order works just as well until some new "bad dictator" turns up the emotion volume.

The saying "perfect love casts out fear" is true. that is why no one wants to admit to having it and oppose in themselves and others the simply exchange the bricks and mortars of Fortress Fear for the air sun and water of fearless compassion. "Love will set you free." the attempt is thus most perverse when, added to fear, Big Brother tries to obtain the love as well. But in any event, his power rests on fear.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:26 AM
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12. A combination of the above AND
corporate media and right-wing Christianity.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 01:32 AM
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14. An authoritarian mindset by people in power.
And a media which fails to highlight government abuses.

And a crooked election system.



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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:13 AM
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15. It's clear to me..
Abusers(sociopaths) getting away with it, and others Enabling the abusers and lots of bystanders shifting around responsibility to anyone else,waiting for a leader to act so they don't have to..
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:36 AM
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16. I think fear and loathing are means to achieve tyranny. nt
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:38 AM
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17. I thought it was gay marriage...
or genetically mutated mice. It's so hard to keep these things straight.
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