If Lieberman wins primary do you think progressives will sit out election?

[WI_DEM]

just curious. Lieberman is not the progressives favorite democrat and with some justification. However, if he wins the primary and is the democratic nominee do you think that progressives will end up sitting out the election? or will most hold their noses and vote for him?

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[patricia92243]

12. "Told?" Hmmmmm...

[acmejack]

2. No, I think they will support the Democratic ticket.

Joe will not be the only guy on the ballot.

on edit, the prior respondent must have meant Ben not Bill?

[Crazy Dave]

3. Yeah but....

...it dilutes the pool of candidates by spreading out votes and giving a republican candidate with united support a better chance of winning.

Lieberman and "progressive" means the same as "compassionate" conservative. If he's pretending to be a "Nader" type candidate you already know what the consequences will be.

[Crazy Dave]

5. No...it's Bill

Trust me, I do know who my representatives are. Especially the ones who voted for the war and still support "staying the course".

[wakeme2008]

38. Right....

Bill is a RW Dem

[wakeme2008]

37. No Bill is just as bad as Ben

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

4. The progressives will vote for him

It's the trust-fund anarchists who will sit home and plot the overthrow of the government, between hits and bags of spicy nacho doritos.

[acmejack]

6. That's pretty damned snarky

Trust fund anarchists? But no "Pure Progressives" use the evil weed? my gosh, lets fling around some silly innuendo to start the morning of right!

[sandnsea]

9. I got it from Patton Oswald

tell him about it, mkay?

And it generally is the anarchists who are most vocal about voting against Dems, the progressives tend to come around and even support the candidate. My state is full of them, maybe you don't have to deal with them so much.

[acmejack]

13. The anarchists?

Are we talking about anyone who is not aligned with your idea of progressive or an honest to goodness dressed in black bomb-thrower? I assume you are talking about the type of people that rioted in Seattle at the G-8? I guess there aren't many here...

[Warren Stupidity]

17. And they were way ahead of us and absolutely correct

about where this all was going. Not about the idiotic black gear and window smashing though, that is just silly.

[sandnsea]

19. Ya know

I find it interesting that the first post, which is just a steaming pile of shit, sits there without any criticism whatsoever. But mine, which separates out true progressives from people who generally spout all kinds of anti-government anarchistic drivel, well that's an outrage. The pot and dorito comment was a friggin' joke, the likes of which I see on DU several times a day.

To answer your question, yeah, Seattle rioter types, we have a bunch in Oregon too - and on DU as well. They're the ones who will stir up shit about not voting for Lieberman, them and trolls whose single purpose is to stir up divisive shit.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. A Joke, not a joke, that is the question.

At any rate I went after the original putrid post (opp), as did others. However, if Lieberman is running essentially unopposed, why should the progressive base of the DP bother voting for the asshat?

[sandnsea]

26. Don't care if they do or don't

As long as the Republican hovers around 20%, I don't care what the progressives in CT do.

[Warren Stupidity]

16. "trust-fund anarchists"?

Wow. Would you like a wider brush? More tar perhaps?

[sandnsea]

21. Wow shall we outlaw all humor

Can the left only laugh when the humor is pointed at the right? It wasn't even my joke to begin with.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Not quite sure you intended that as a joke.

But I surely can play the same game. My response was of course an obvious jest. Lighten up there. Get a sense of humor.

[sandnsea]

25. Hits and bags of spicy nacho doritos?

Oh yes, that only refers to the world of anarchists. :eyes:

And separating progressives from these anarchists, well you just missed that in your zeal to tell your joke. Okeedoke.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. And, the pink-tutu "moderates" will mumble "yassa boss" and vote for him.

Between crooning verses of "God Bless America" and trips to the mall.

Oh, time to go and check the millions in the trust fund.

[LaurenG]

7. Too bad the Democratic Party can't throw him out

He publicly stated he'd change parties to keep his seat. He obviously doesn't really believe in what Dem's are trying to accomplish or feel it's his duty to do the will of the people. He'd rather split the party then lose. That just shows his true character, do whatever it takes to WIN and to heck with the rest.

[xchrom]

8. most will hold their nose and vote.

[Tesha]

10. It depends whether you want the Democratic party to change or not.

If a Democrat is happy with the Democratic party the way it is,
then they should definitely vote for Lieberman.

If a Democrat thinks the party has become just a bit too assured
that we'll vote for any asshole who still has a "D" after his name,
even if he's a Bush-kisser (literally!), then voting for someone
left of Lieberman would be useful in the long run (even if it
hurts a bit in the short run).

Tesha

[calico1]

11. I am from CT.

Frankly I don't know what I will do if it comes to that. I despise him. On the other hand I don't want a Republican to get the seat. At this point I am thinking of riding out this election UNLESS the polls show that he is in real trouble, which is doubtful considering the Repulican candidate. If it did come to that then I suppose I will have to hold my nose. What a choice that would be. :(

[Crazy Dave]

15. Careful about those polls

The media, since Florida 2000 have manipulated many and almost every election with their so-called polls to jack-up their election coverage ratings and audience share. They know that everybody will watch a close race but nobody watches election coverage if a certain candidate is guaranteed to win with a double digit percentage lead. Plus, if they can create a close race with a questionable outcome that's even better for them as they can drag the "election scandal" out even further.

[calico1]

20. I am thinking some people won't vote because they

will take for granted that Lieberman will win. Schlesinger is not a strong candidate. CT is not FL and we have lever voting machines here so I don't think its easy to get a "fix" in the election. Besides, the national GOP pretty much ignores CT. The concern would be what I mentioned first....that some people may not vote because they will just assume he will win and also that many progressives will refuse to vote for him either way. I really don't see Lieberman being in big trouble here but if by some chance the Repub gave him a real run for his money then I am undecided at this point. I mean, I don't want a Republican in the Senate, but Lieberman has done so much damage to the party.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. Lever voting machines are massively easy to fix

and have no paper trail whatsoever.

[calico1]

29. Maybe so, but as I said CT is not FL

or Ohio. The national GOP spends very little time here and the state has more Dems than Republicans. Also the Republicans in office are for the most part Moderates, not wingnuts. I could be wrong but I don't think we have had any stolen elections. Least not since I have lived here. The GOP just doesn't care enough about CT to try and steal an election. Besides, even if they did, why would they when they've got Joe Lieberman?
He is better for them than having a Republican!

[Crazy Dave]

33. "I feel your pain"

Trust me, I do as we've got Bill Nelson down here. When you hear Jeb Bush giving a democrat a glowing endorsement by saying, "You can always trust Bill to do what's right", which really means, "he's just like us". Jeb won't even endorse Katherine Harris, their old bar whore that they used for one night and then tossed aside like that. Her party has pretty much shit on her big time even after all she's done for them.

[tavalon]

14. I hope not

but I also like that he is getting a run for his money. Serves his over-entitled self.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. Hold nose and vote.

Some will sit out, especially if there is no real opposition. Fuck Lieberman. As he has no loyalty to the party, why should the party have loyalty to him? Huh?

[DemonFighterLives]

27. Tough choice

I'm glad that I don't have to vote. Let's just hope Lieberman gets knocked off early.
Is closing your eyes and voting an option?

[mucifer]

28. I would hope progressives would because we need to control the senate

It's very important to get the comittee leaders to be dems.

[calico1]

31. Still, its very hard.

Lieberman has bashed Democrats so much and kissed up to Bush and the GOP so much. I would have a very difficult time. I don't want to be responsible for helping him get another 6 years. I don't want a Repub either. So its a tough choice. There are other Democrats that vote with the Republicans more than we want but at least they don't bash the party all the time and publicly make spectacles of themselves kissing Bush and all.

I am hoping it doesn't come to that and that Lamont wins the primary. If he does Dean has already said he will support him. I think things will change once the Democratic party supports Lamont and not Lieberman's independent candidacy. But if it comes to Lieberman vs. Shelesinger, I really don't know at this point what I will do. My choice would be a Republican or a Democrat bashing, Republican loving Democrat. Some choice.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. I think progressives will realize that this is too important to sit on.

And, I don't think Lieberman is going to get the nomination so it is a moot question. :hi:

[Crazy Dave]

34. Hi Mrs. G

Don't see you in GD that often. Meet you in "The Lounge" later and buy you a drink :hi:

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. I'm in GD almost everyday.

It's the nearest and dearest forum to my heart, but the smoking wars got to me last week so I took a break. :hi:

[robcon]

36. I think the concept is silly.

Lieberman has been elected by increasing majorities each election, and this will be no exception. He's extremely popular in CT.

[calico1]

40. Not so much lately.

He may still win but the fact that Lamont has gotten enough support to worry Lieberman enough to plan to run as an independent indicates he is no longer "extremely popular." He has lost respect here from a lot of people that voted for him before.

[skipos]

39. The fact that Joe won't respect the votes of CT Dems unless

they nominate him certainly did a LOT of damage.

I used to think Joe would win, now I think Lamont will win.