3-Story Building Explodes and Collapses on Upper East Side of Manhattan

[ECH1969]

http://www.nytimes.com/

[Roland99]

1. MSNBC article: Flames engulf structure, unknown if people inside

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13801112/

NEW YORK - A four-story building collapsed Monday in midtown Manhattan and was quickly engulfed in flames. The building is located on 62nd Street between Madison and Park avenues.

The New York Fire Department described the collapse as a "major incident."

It was not immediately known if people had been inside when it collapsed.

Gas leak? Meth lab? Bomb?

[im10ashus]

2. I am looking uptown toward that area from my building downtown.

They say you can see the thick black smoke, but I can't see anything from my vantage point. I hear there are people trapped inside.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

3. this is just the beginning

The only way to keep us sheople in line is to constantly
frighten us.

However, I believe that many of us now see through it and
are suspicious of this admin.

We obviously won't have any peace in the US until Bush is
either impeached, arrested, removed or resigned.

This is another false flag attack.

I guess not only will we have to turn over our phone and banking records,
its time to get that national photo id card NOW.

Gotta keep us safe from them terrists.

[im10ashus]

4. Um, I don't think this is related to the current administration.

Although it's too early to tell, I am just taking a guess. :shrug:

[Cronus Protagonist]

5. How do you know it's a false flag attack?

Couldn't it just be a meth lab or a gas leak?





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[Ecumenist]

12. You know Cronus,

You are completely right to advise us that it could be something as "mundane" as a gas leak or a meth lab. I just believe, as many people probably think, that this could very well be something designed to help the republican criminals who thrive on trying to frighten people for their own reasons.

[Cronus Protagonist]

18. I go with Occam's Razor

That's why I thought of a meth lab first - they explode quite often. That's also why I go with LIHOP....

[northzax]

54. that's awfully expensive real estate

for a meth lab (although I immediately thought the same thing) I vote for gas leak. I mean really, why blow up a 4 story building in New York, if you want to scare people? (unless it has some signifigance) I am unaware of.

[Cronus Protagonist]

57. They could have been cooking in the back of the hair salon

I used to be a manager in an upscale apartment building - rents about double the surrounding buildings. One tenant was late with rent and didn't show up after notices were mailed and I had to go in and put his furniture in storage. It turned out it was being used as a crack cooking joint and someone forgot to pay the rent. I suppose they thought there was less chance of getting caught there.




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[Ecumenist]

6. B-I-N-G-O. Will,

that's EXACTLY what I thought when I first read then tuned in to see the report on MSNBC. They have to find a way to ramp up the fear and do something further to convince people that there is a REAL threat.

[Roland99]

10. Gonna blow out an ACL with knee-jerk reactions like that.

;)

[Norquist Nemesis]

32. It's going to be interesting how it gets spun

I'm wondering if the "plot to blow up a building in Chicago" got tweeked with a little help is going to be the cause. :tinfoilhat: Right now, on MSNBC, the reporter just put out there that someone on the street said, "It sounded just like 9/11". Here we go...

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. WH says not terrorism

according to banner. MSNBC now saying it was probably a gas leak.

[annabanana]

7. 32 East 62nd St.. . . n/t

[annabanana]

8. beauty supply & Dr.s office - unconfirmed

cbs

[im10ashus]

9. 32?

Is that between Park and Madison. Seems like that would be between 5th and Madison.

:shrug:

[annabanana]

13. they repeated it, but you are right. . . . n/t

[Cassandra]

51. No. Often the street numbers break...

sooner than you might expect between 5th to Madison and Madison to Park.

[ReverendDeuce]

11. Mark my words...

It was a meth lab!

[Ecumenist]

14. Boy, Rev

I certainly hope that's the case and that's a damn shame when you look at it.

[im10ashus]

15. A meth lab on the UES?

I am not seeing it. Gas explosion seems to be a more likely cause.

[Drum]

17. meth lab on that block?

very unlikely.

[im10ashus]

22. That's what I thought.

That is a very well-appointed area. More likely a gas leak.

[Scout1071]

48. I was going to say, that's a pretty good neighborhood for a meth lab.

Besides, wouldn't you smell that in an apartment building. I live next door to the state with the most meth labs and it seems like the reports on TV always talk about the odor from the meth labs.

[Cassandra]

28. Give me a break!

It was likely a gas explosion; that happens here from time to time. Someone interviewed from next door, who was evacuated, thought the building was used as a parking garage for a nearby club. Maybe someone knocked into a gas pipe or something.
Doctor's office inside (latest). Popular location for a doctor's office.

[annabanana]

16. two people already enroute to hospital. . . n/t

[onehandle]

19. Meth lab, gas leak, or a structural issue.

These things happen. No attack or Bush plot.

For one thing, MSM is not screaming about it.

[annabanana]

20. ugh.. interview of woman who "thought it was terrorists". . .n/t

[livvy]

21. Building Explodes in NY

Jul 10, 2006 8:19 am US/Central
Building Explodes In New York
Blast Collapses Structure Near Central Park
LIVE: Building Explodes In New York City

(CBS) NEW YORK An explosion and fire caused the collapse of a 3-story building on Manhattan's East Side early Monday, fire officials said.

Reports of a building collapse and fire on 62nd Street between Madison and Park avenues in Mahattan's Upper East Side came in around 8:50 a.m. ET.

It was not immediately clear whether people were trapped inside.

Black smoke rose high above the building, located on Manhattan's upper east side between Park and Madison avenues.

(© MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Righ

http://wcco.com/topstories/topstories_story_191090258.html

[skooooo]

23. Lower part of building was parking garage...

...that's what they said on MSNBC. Kind of weird. They're turning off gas lines in the area.

[datasuspect]

24. okay, what color will the ribbons for this one be?

[meti57b]

25. Doubtful a "terrorist plot" would target a 3-story building.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. I'm watching on local NBC station, they think it was a parking garage for

a next door luxury high rise.

[MaineDem]

27. Between Links Club (Lynx?) and Cumberland House

Club is a popular Republican spot and the Cumberland House is a luxury apartment building. Speculation that the explosion was in the parking garage for the apartments.

This according to WNBC live coverage.

[onehandle]

29. Building Machinery, Car fire. Lots of normal reasons. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

30. Edited...again .just in, doctors' offices and duplex apt. used by one of

the doctors. The doctors office not opened until 9AM but first alarm came at 8:40AM so no patients there. No word on a nurse who might have been there before offices opened and no word on the doctor who has the apartment.

[Cassandra]

41. If there was parking at the bottom...

it might have been a converted carriage house, of which there are a number of examples in the city.

[Cassandra]

45. Nurse was late to the office...

thankfully. No word yet on the doctor.

Giving oxygen to someone trapped under debris. Maybe the doctor.

[Jacobin]

31. Stock market panic happening now

I think its an ordinary explosion and not an attack

[annabanana]

34. me too. . . . . .

So do the people on the streets, who are watching from the end of the street (some passers by, some evacuees)

[Roland99]

40. DJIA up 50, NASDAQ up 10 so far

[Drum]

33. This is unusual:

Larry King (yes, him) staying an nearby hotel...he heard the sound, rushed downstairs for a look, and has been reporting from the scene (via phone, no desk) on it.

[im10ashus]

35. Here's an image from the scene:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/10/nyregion/10cnd-blast.html?hp&ex=1152590400&en=2756d46347201da8&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[northzax]

55. what's unusual

that he's on the scene, or that he's actually reporting?

[htuttle]

58. ...That he's actually awake at this hour

I didn't think he could go outside during the daytime, either.

[Drum]

69. heh heh heh

good 'un!

[Drum]

68. lol

I just found it unexpected that I would turn CNN on the TV (after I couldn't click on the CNN story link without being asked to engage in their "pipeline" for a monthly fee = bogus.) And there, instead of the closest staff reporter etc, was Larry King himself, reporting a breaking story live on-the-scene. Really, I thought Larry and CNN would not bother and just dispatch someone according to their master recipe.

So, I guess in answer to you: I was really surprised at the former, but once I'd had a sip of coffee I remembered the latter aspect. Larry doesn't do news but the Cult of Personality...the great national distraction.

[TechBear_Seattle]

36. Gas leak, meth lab or illegal fireworks, mark my words

Faux will be all over this story with all kinds of inuendo about how "terrorists" can not be ruled out as a cause for the explosion. When it does turn out to have been a gas leak, meth lab, illegal fireworks or something equally mundane, Faux will drop the story entirely with no retraction or apology.

[annabanana]

37. Tamsen Fedel is looking for people who suspect terrorism....

She's throwing them up on CBS, conflating this explostion with the WTC..

(They are mooshing her down now)

[Norquist Nemesis]

38. What's with the upside down flag?

Cameras are showing someone being evacuated on a guerney and there is a flag on a pole that's being flown upside down. :shrug:

[WePurrsevere]

56. The upside down flag is a "distress" signal...

although it's recently been used as a form of protest to express political distress by Liberals it's been used on ships, etc for a long time I believe. Without knowing who put the flag upside down and when it's difficult to know in which way it's being used.

[Norquist Nemesis]

59. I know, that's why I'm wondering

Did someone run out and turn it over? :shrug:

[WePurrsevere]

66. I've never actually seen it used to signal distress in an emergency

only in protest, have you? Sadly in In this case either could be possible. :shrug: Hopefully no one died in this (I just signed back online to check the news).

[Tsiyu]

39. Could be as simple as bad wiring

or as nefarious as murder, depending on who was in the building at the time.

(bhg readies her Reynold's Wrap)

[im10ashus]

42. Live video.

http://www.wnbc.com/videostream/5822189/detail.html

[bleedingheart]

43. I am thinking natural gas

there have been explosions in my area that have literally blown houses to smithereens...

[Armstead]

44. That's what the experts are saying it looks like

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. It seems like gas. Con Ed was on the scene before the explosion because of

reported gas smell in the location.

[bleedingheart]

52. another reason to report the smell of natural gas....

I wonder how long that gas was accumulating until someone actually reported it.

I was walking in my mom's neighborhood with my hubby when I smelled gas near a house that was for sale and empty.

I got two other people to confirm the smell and we reported it...within a few hours the gas company was there fixing the leak... With underground mines and subsidence issues...natural gas leaks are common here in PA.

as horrible as this is...they are lucky no other buildings blew up...

[malaise]

46. NBC suggests

a gas leak as ConEd was on hand responding to the smell of gas fron Bldg#32 and the one that collapsed was #34.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. There is a survivor who is trapped. They are working on getting him out

and are giving him oxygen.

[julialnyc]

53. it's not terrorism

the building is only 3 stories high......... that's beyond tiny for NYC. It also probably means that it is an old building (as nobody would build something that small now), which makes makes sense for things like a gas leak.

[acmejack]

60. NYFD says it was a gas explosion

Per msnbc

[geomon666]

61. MIHOP

:tinfoilhat:

[bdamomma]

62. it was reported as a gas leak

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

63. They think a doctor might have been attempting suicide with gas.

Supposedly several sources have this theory.

[ronnykmarshall]

67. WNBC is reporting that.

There's a wonderful story of a nurse's assistant that helped a woman that took a huge impact of the blast.

[MaineDem]

64. May have been a suicide attempt using gas

Per WNBC tv.

[onehandle]

65. Fire Chief Says Gas Explosion Caused Collapse-NYT Homepage. nt