"the lessor human beings"

[evirus]

does anyone else see the healthcare part of the immigration debate as being morally bankrupt? i mean wasn't the purpose of america, as we where lead to believe as children, to treat every human with a certain degree of dignity and respect? how many doctors would feel alright using a persons citizenship to deny medical help anyway?

also correct me if I'm wrong but isn't medicare expenses taken out of income? if so then as long os the "illegals" are being paid correctly don't they ultimately pay into the system they are "leaching from"?

[Warpy]

1. "MY MUNNNNEEEEEE MINE MINE MINE MINEMINEMINE!"

always trumps any moral argument. The right wing's "morality" was only to sweeten the pot on their tax cut proposals in order to get fundies to the polls. The majority of people who voted them in were greed driven or who just wanted some sort of economic relief after 30 years of falling behind.

We can trot out all the moralists in the world. We'll confuse the 30% of the electorate who claim to be biblical literalists, but unless we offer them something more than bromides about morality, we're not going to win.

The best approach is the one Brian Schweitzer used to become Governor of Montana: economic populism in plain language and without pie charts or Power Point presentations.

[rodeodance]

3. morality is not one of their sound bites!

.....The best approach is the one Brian Schweitzer used to become Governor of Montana: economic populism in plain language and without pie charts or Power Point presentations.

[annabanana]

9. what came to mind with your post title:

[bryant69]

2. If they are paid above hte table with fake green card

Than they pay into the medicare system. But I don't know if that's the majority case or not. Obviously if they are paid under the table, they do not pay into medicare directly (although they still have to pay sales tax and some other things).

Bryant
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[evirus]

4. so correct me if im wrong

cant almost everything can be considered a problem with not enforcing legal employment practices? oh im sorry i forgot the golden rule of republicanism; dont screw with the businesses

[bryant69]

7. That's a fair point

I've long said that the real villians in this drama are the businesses that take advantage of the situation.

[CrispyQ]

5. Off topic, but how can illegals be paid 'correctly?'

I don't think you can pay an illegal alien 'on the books' or correctly, as you say. Can someone more versed in payroll & taxes clarify this for me?

I have to fill out an I-9 for every new employee. It is an immigration department form that asks the employer to list one or two forms of ID, presented by the employee, that shows that the employee is authorized to work in the US. An illegal alien who does not have the appropriate ID, does not meet the I-9 requirements to work legally in the US. Any wages paid to this person would have to be under the table & not on the books, right? And, if they are getting the job with fake id, any benefits would be paid into the account of the fake id.

[evirus]

6. what i ment by correctly is just

income minus taxes, not just "money under the table". i suppose you can give the employee a check only to have him stopped at the bank or whatever when he tries to cash it in, that i would consider it being paid correctly. all in all i was only speaking generally

[jwirr]

8. Much of what we are doing in *ss's name is bigotry against any

one who is not rich but especially against minorities.

[leftofthedial]

10. hell no! you commie!

the purpose of Murka is to make rich Murkans richer.

crawl back to russia with your commie ideas.