OH. MY. GOD.

[warrior1]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

Let me have your attention for a moment.

There's a brutal, astonishing and final dispatch today from Lawrence Kaplan at the New Republic blog, The Plank. Let me reprint it in full ...

Even by the degraded standards of everyday life in Baghdad, this report from CNN's Nic Robertson comes as a shock:

One international official told me of reports among his staff that a 15-year-old girl had been beheaded and a dog's head sewn on her body in its place; and of a young child who had had his hands drilled and bolted together before being killed.


snip

speechless...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Is that the same 15-year-old girl...

we've been hearing so much about lately?

[warrior1]

2. No.

[Mr_Spock]

33. lmao - very insightful post

:rofl:

[KingFlorez]

3. This is hard to read

I can't even think of anything to say, it's too horrible.

[Rainscents]

4. That is so sick...

I am speechless.:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[wakeme2008]

5. We have a religious war going on

All the bad things you may say about Saddam, he kept the religious crazies in check...

[kath]

36. I sure wish somebody would keep OUR religious crazies in check...

:-(

[warrior1]

6. the neo-cons

allowed this to happen. From starting this illegal war to disbanding Husseins army.

They own every last bit of this..

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

7. I smell incubators and meat grinders. -nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Good call.

[bananas]

26. Where is the alleged Nic Robertson report? This is third-party rumors.

Lawrence Kaplan at TNR claims that Nic Robertson of CNN reported that "One international official told me of reports among his staff" ...

Where is the alleged Nic Robertson report?
I can't find it.

Kaplan made a direct quote from it, where's the rest of it?

[Turbineguy]

8. These people are rapidly

becoming worthy of the lies used to attack them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. "these people"

what sort of people might these be?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

15. Perhaps those whose albedo is lower than some established constant.

(If y'all haven't the foggiest idea what the hell I'm talking about, that's what Wikipedia is for.)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. No kidding.

Raping and murdering a 15 year old. Ho hum.

Desecrating the corpse of a 15 year old? Uh oh, lookout!

[insane_cratic_gal]

18. NM killing a 7 yr old child for bearing witness 7!

plus the girls two parents

[kapkao]

37. albedo.,..

like some geometric quality of various celestial objects?


Yeah, damn those little green men with their unusual red planet albedo.

[varkam]

9. It takes a special kind of...

sick mind to do something like that.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. the possibility

of this kind of behaviour,exists within every single one of us....- if we try and distance ourselves from the horror of what 'we' do to each other by calling others monsters, or 'evildoers' or 'savages' we aren't fooling anyone- or protecting anyone, least of all ourselves.

Humans can be very viscious creatures. We can also be incredibly kind. I'd sooner encourage the latter.

Perhaps if we TRULY put the kind of energy, effort, money, and brains into seeking ways to make life on this planet better for everyone : illness, famine, discrimination, need, shelter= that we do into finding ways to make war, we'd have less violence, and need to dominate or control?

[varkam]

31. I agree that...

we all have the potential for violence and cruelty depending on the situation that we are in. But come on, do you really think that if you were stuck in a certain situation you would bolt the hands of a 15 year old girl together, cut off her head, then cut off a dogs head, then sow the dogs head onto the 15 year old girls body?

Somehow I ain't buyin' it.

[mcar]

10. I read this too and am so sickened

by the brutality and inhumanity. Why do people do such horrible things to each other? :cry:

[LittleClarkie]

11. I thought the New Republic was pro-Iraq War

I'm surprised they'd print such a thing therefore.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Exactly. We've got to stay there...

to keep the heads of dead dogs from being stitched to the bodies of dead girls.

You know, so they don't stitch dog heads on to girl bodies over hear.

[NanceGreggs]

16. If I had my way in this world ...

... I would force every American who still supports this war to sit in a chair for twenty-four hours while they listened to these stories one by one, while they viewed the photographs and videotapes from Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.

I doubt there'd be too many pro-War types left at the end of the day, and this Administration and its war profiteers would be exposed for what they are, and for what they have wrought.

[Ilsa]

34. Please, let me apply the toothpicks to their eyelids to make them watch!

I am sick of hearing about "collateral damage" and "Well, that happens in war..." People need to see exactly what it is they are supporting.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

19. .........

:cry:

[cantstandbush]

20. We depossed ONE mad man and made a NATION of mad men.

All things considered, Saddam kept Iraq pretty peaceful except for the Kurds assassination attemps and their in-fighting in the north.

[Joe for Clark]

21. Two years ago, my boy said that

what happened - they'd execute people as a warning and then hang the bodies on street posts as a warning to the rest of the population to do as they wished.

That was two years ago.

In my fathers war - they'd cut off the privates of people and sew them up in the mouths of downed pilots and send them back to the units as a warning. Other things I will not post.

It is all the same, in a way, don't you think??

War is all the same - and this is no different. Sometimes the consequences are worth it, rarely.

This one is sure not!!!

Joe

[midnight]

35. Bring them home-NOW!!!!!!!

This needs to end-Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[democrank]

22. I just want to cry.

It`s all so senseless.

[warrior1]

23. I remember

seeing this picture of a young Iraqi girl before the war...



I wonder what as become of her, then I read these stories, true or not. Shit is happening in Iraq because of bush and his lies.

[Bluerthanblue]

24. "our guns, our money, and our ideas"....

... are a vital ingredient and yeast for 'their history and their hate'.

And if anyone is naieve enough to think that the same kind of shit could not be written about incidents in AMERICA that are equally as heinous, and perverted they are living in a make believe world- Were America to be invaded by a force equal to what we have wrought in Iraq, and the various factions in OUR nation to be given 'free-reign' i wouldn't want to live 'through' it-

This comment is SO telling in my opinion:

"What I want to focus on is the final, totalizing message -- one that's worth taking note of. You could summarize what Kaplan is saying as, Our guns and our money and ideas are no match for their history and their hate."

Translation? "THEY are savage beasts- who cannot live as civilized people" to which I say- BULL SHIT!! you arrogant asshole-

I agree with the poster who mentions 'meat grinders' and 'incubators'-

This is propaganda- even if some of it IS true- it is meant to distance the US from the responsibility we bear for having unleashed such rage upon a nation unequipped to cope with it, and we have many barbaric and ugly skeletons in our own closets....

[stepnw1f]

25. But This Makes the GOP Proud to be American

this is their version America during a time of war. Fuck every one of them.

[readmoreoften]

27. How does this Neocon know that insurgents did this?

Our track record hasn't been the greatest these days. How can you tell who-did-what in that goddamned fog?

[KyuzoGator]

28. "This isn't torture, it's just harmless frat pranks!"

Thanks for the insight, Rush. You drug-addled sexual deviant.

[godhatesrepublicans]

30. Not all that surprising actually. In guerrilla warfare....

... leaving civilian corpses in such a way as to demoralize the opposition has a long history. In Nicaragua in the 1980s, Reagan's proxies against the Sandinistas used to do things like slaughter entire families, behead the corpses, and leave the bodies sitting at the dinner table, with the heads on the table in front of the corresponding body. I read about it in a reprint of a CIA manual, and found several corroborating bits of evidence along the way.

Both sides did this sort of thing in the Vietnam war, any vets on the DU can confirm this I'm sure.

It's an inexpensive way to wear down the opposition. Heck, for a Classical Roman example, google "Spartacus" and "crucification", I'm sure you'll find something. And there's always "Vlad the Impaler."

[Swamp Rat]

32. And there's Rumsferatu, the blood thirsty reptoid.