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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:10 AM
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1% of Americans think Jesus Christ was "the greatest American of all time"
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:13 AM
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1. Please tell me that's not true
even one percent is way too many people to be that fucking stupid.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:17 AM
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2. there are many sick americans out there
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:18 AM
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3. But, he's Jewish!
I had a friend who could drive her dim mother nuts by mentioning that fact.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:22 AM
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10. She probably just thought he was from Miami
Ok, bad Jewish joke. Don't pile on, my karma is my own worry.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:38 AM
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28. That would be cool for tourism
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:19 AM
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4. Mormons think Jesus came to America. - n/t
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:20 AM
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6. Drats, and I missed the tour
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:52 AM
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15. They keep the last surviving tee shirt from it in a vault in Utah. - n/t
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:59 AM
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17. Prolly only because it's tie-dyed and smells of heavenly weed. :-)
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:46 AM
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30. Don't worry, I was at that tour, and I got you a T-Shirt
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:17 AM
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23. So you are fine with
Jesus being killed, coming back to life, and visiting people all over the middle east and europe, but him coming to North America to visit the Native Americans is just way to much? At least you are drawing the line somewhere.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:36 AM
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33. You said that, I didn't.
I'm not convinced there ever was a Jesus beyond stories.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:38 AM
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37. OK
I mistakenly thought that was the implication from your post. I'm sorry if I was incorrect. I am amazed at the number of people that want to dismiss Mormans from being Christian for reasons that mystify me.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:41 AM
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40. Well, I do find the Mormon claims even more ridiculous.
Especially since there's absolutely no evidence to support their claims before Smith made up his own Biblical passages.
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mccoyn Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:47 AM
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43. They same could be said about the rest of the bible. -nt
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:49 AM
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45. I agree, but not to the same degree.
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 11:50 AM by porphyrian
There are at least a number of external references to some of the things in the Bible in existance, whereas there is nothing supporting the "Book of Mormon" before Smith wrote it.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:03 PM
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49. In my mind
the only things Paul has going for him in his making up biblical passages are that he did it a lot earlier that Smith and he relies on more ancient mythology than Smith. Otherwise, making shit up is making shit up.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:34 PM
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51. The old school gospels are even less reliable in some ways...
...considering they were only passed on by word of mouth for a hundred or so years before being written down, but they do also make references to some people, places and events (certainly not all of them) which are recorded elsewhere by non-Christian sources, adding just a bit more validity to them. However, my saying the sky is usually blue along with a lie doesn't make the lie true. I just have an easier time believing the magical protaganist wandered the desert, possibly to India, rather than to the North American continent to create an exclusive method of salvation hidden to all except for a select group of colonizing polygamists who settled in Utah nearly two thousand years later.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:07 PM
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59. I'll give you plausibility
especially since we both agree that we are talking about the journeys of a living nomad.

But once someone tells me they believe that Jesus appeared to people after his death, I have a hard time applying plausibility to the fact that he would appear to Jews only and not to Native Americans or any other group of people.

We are pretty much on the same page. I just feel badly that so many harsh on the Mormons when giving every other sect a pass on "provability" and "plausibility."
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:16 PM
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61. "...would appear to Jews only..."
I don't think that part of the story has anything to do with being Jews or Indians. The story goes that he appeared to the people who believed in him, which was a small sect of Jews, and I think this had more to do with the fact that they were in the vicinity and his followers rather than any other kind of preference.

Don't feel bad for the Mormons over any others. They need the ridicule to help justify their belief that heaven is exclusively theirs and to reconcile that belief with other Christian ones. It's by design.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:25 PM
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64. Catholics believe that heaven is theirs
Same deal. Many sects have heaven as exclusively theirs.

Wasn't it the South Park movie that had the scene in hell with everyone confused as to why they were there and the demon says "The correct answer was Mormon." Funny scene.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:32 PM
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65. It's the ones who focus on the proselytizing rather than the love...
...in the message who seem to have this exclusivity problem. They're the ones with the missionaries and the people who come to your house to bug you. You know, the irritating ones.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:37 AM
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27. Don't they believe he was born in Jackson County, Missouri?
Jesus came from the Show Me state.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:36 AM
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34. Wrong!
Jesus was born in the Bronx, NY. I went to school with him! :silly:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:49 AM
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46. Hey I went to school with Jesus too
But he was a little fat Cuban kid.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:36 PM
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52. Jesus was a skinny Puerto Rican kid
with geeky glasses and a pocket protector! :hi:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:59 PM
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57. I bet my jesus would beat your jesus up
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:04 PM
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58. Your Jesus could have sat on my Jesus
and flattned him. My Jesus was a puny little guy. Very brainy though. So mine could probably beat yours in a spelling or math contest. ;-)
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:16 PM
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60. My Jesus was pretty dumb
And they called him Chuey
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:37 AM
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36. I think that's Jesus Sanchez.
He's an assistant supervisor at a gasket assembly plant.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:06 PM
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50. I believe that was Doubting Thomas.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:43 PM
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69. I think that's just the Ashcroft family that believes that.
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 04:44 PM by izzybeans
Either that or the Garden of Eden is located at Soutwest Missouri State or something of that sort.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:42 PM
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54. Don't tell me--to "do those jobs Americans won't do?"
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 01:43 PM by KansDem
...or refuse to do.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:20 PM
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62. Yes, and to hook up exclusive contracts for its development...
...by European invad...er, colonists.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:23 PM
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63. what's that? Morons, you say?
oh wait...:yoiks:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:02 PM
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66. Stop it, you Discordian you. - n/t
;)
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:20 AM
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5. but don't the mormons believe jesus came to america during the three...
...days before he rose from the dead? maybe the 1% is mormons?
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:20 AM
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7. I bet Andrea Yates and Bush are in the 1%
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:21 AM
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8. WTF?
a greater American than even Moses? or Christopher Columbus? Julius Caeser? what about Santa Claus?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:53 AM
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16. I know... I was SURE Santa would make the list. Why do they hate America?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:22 AM
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9. There are some very dim bulbs in this country....
:dunce:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:24 AM
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11. JESUS CHRIST!! What is wrong with these people...
"Hell knows. Literally, hell knows."
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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:24 AM
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12. I'm surprised it isn't 25%...
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:24 AM
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19. My thoughts exactly
I couldn't believe it was higher.
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:41 AM
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39. I'm with you
I'm relieved it's only 1%. I can imagine the rationale for saying he's American: "He spoke English in the Bible didn't he?"
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:41 PM
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53. ROFL! And he looks just like the guy nextdoor,
just, with a beard and sandals. :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:25 AM
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13. heh
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:27 AM
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14. Sad.
Really.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:15 AM
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18. Of course He is! Why do you think the Bible is written in English?



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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:02 AM
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20. Stephen Colbert, is that you? eom
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:13 AM
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22. Only in my dreams. I was somewhat disturbed that it's so easy
to find pictures like that. But hey, some days, the comedy practically writes itself.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:06 AM
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21. Ok. That does it. It's time to move.
Where to? Ireland, or cheaper real estate in Czech Republic? I don't care if it's 1%. This is just hopeless.:cry:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:20 AM
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24. 7% believe that Elvis is still alive
And God knows how many believe that Tupac and Jim Morrison are floating around somewhere. :)
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:26 AM
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26. Me wonders how many believe that Kenny Boy creep is still alive.
Whoops! We have a lot of 'em even here on DU!

(Including... moi!) O8)
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:24 AM
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25. How Could Jesus be an American?
He used the King James Bible, which is English.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:44 AM
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29. i wonder what percentage think him "the greatest living American"?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:47 AM
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31. When you're too stupid to come up with a name, use "Jesus Christ"
reminds me of when Bush was asked about his favorite philosopher.

He obviously didn't answer "Jesus" because he believes in what Jesus taught.

My theory was that it was his way to get out of answering a question he was too dumb to answer.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:35 AM
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32. I'm shocked it's that low!
I love this country and its people but we have a lot of kooks too.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:37 AM
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35. That's nothing...99% of them think Jesus was white. nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:42 AM
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41. My velvet painting tells me so. n/t
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:40 AM
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38. There's no way people can be that stupid...
*turns on TV*

On second thought, maybe there are people that stupid.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:43 AM
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42. One percent of Americans are schizophrenic, too. nt
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defiant1 Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:48 AM
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44. Uhhh....
Where did the writer get that from? I can't seem to find anything that would support that on the Net.

d1
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 11:59 AM
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47. Was Ronald Reagan The Second Coming Of Christ?
http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/32461/view?viewtype=best&skip=0


Did he walk on water, turn water into wine, raise the dead, and cure the lepers before, during or after his presidency? Someone on this site wrote, “Let the man die,” and that is what I was planning to do until having Reagan’s rosy legacy rammed down my throat. Now there is talk of adding Reagan’s likeness to Mount Rushmore and changing currency to have his picture on it. In fact, there are some who support ousting Kennedy from the half dollar in lieu of Reagan.

President Reagan, being a deity of sorts single handedly brought the Iron Curtain down upon the Soviet Union by injecting it with Glasnost and drove the bulldozer that knocked down the Berlin Wall. When David Hasselhoff sang at that momentous occasion, the one man wrecking crew Ronald Reagan joined the backup band playing the skins.

Under Reagan’s administration, not a single veteran or family went homeless. Trickle down economics ensured that every American prospered and there was minimal unemployment. Whenever there was an industry with extensive unemployment, Reagan extended unemployment benefits every time. Surely, his administration wasn’t involved in any controversy or wrongdoings. In fact, Ronald Reagan was so righteous that he made Mother Teresa envious.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:01 PM
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48. Oh, fuck.
:rofl: :patriot: :rofl:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:43 PM
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55. this has to be a spoof
I would like to see where they got this from
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Roark Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:34 PM
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74. 1% ?
I'm betting this is probably legit.

I've always heard unemployment reaches a maximum cap at around 3-4% because what is left unemployed is unemployable - for reasons of mental illness, chronic drug or alcohol abuse or several disability. If you figure 3-4% of America is unemployable because of those reasons I can totally believe 1% is either a) too stupid to catch the question I would probably consider a "trick" question - depending on how it was delivered or b) just too stupid.

Look at it this way: George Bush got people to vote for him somehow. I can easily assume all 1% here was in the Bush camp in 2000 and 2004.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 01:44 PM
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56. That's all?
Would've thought it'd be higher.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:21 PM
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67. This might not be just a joke. A peer-reviewed Johns Hopkins
University journal says,

'Mel Gibson's movie The Passion of the Christ rivaled the most successful Hollywood blockbusters, raking in nearly $370 million in domestic, gross box-office revenue. This controversial film, which graphically portrays the last twelve hours in the life of Jesus of Nazareth, is the latest effort to bring Jesus into the center of American cultural life. Pollsters report that 80 percent of Americans consider themselves Christians. Nearly three-quarters of those polled affirm that Jesus is God or the Son of God, and that he was resurrected from the dead. Americans have even ranked Jesus as the thirteenth "greatest American of all time."1 ...'

Brown, Candy Gunther, "America's Passion for Jesus" Reviews in American History, Volume 32, Number 3, September 2004, pp. 439-446. The Johns Hopkins University Press'

See http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/reviews_in_american_history/v032/32.3gunther_brown.html .

To see the footnote for the source of the statistic, you have to go to the library or log on to "Project Muse".
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:30 PM
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68. Is this the one.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:48 PM
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70. This has got to be the funniest headline of the day.
:eyes: Oy Vey! :rofl:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:54 PM
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71. Shows what I know ..... I thought he was a Mexican.



Isn't Jesus a Mexican name?










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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:14 PM
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72. He's probably in the US illegally!!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:55 PM
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73. It's just fecking hopeless.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:36 PM
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75. IQ between 65 and 70 no doubt.
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