Just Gave My College Professor The Smack Down

[BayCityProgressive]

Okay, can you guys tell me if this was wrong on my part? I am currently taking an internet political science course. The Course instructor is a very rude woman. I won't get into the ridiculous things she demnads of us. She is one of those people that has to mention she has a PH.D in every sentence. Anyhow, we have this discussion board and she posted something as a response that was clearly critical of Democrats so I responded to her. Let me know if this wa a good or proper response.

Posted by Mary Kate Hiatt, Ph.D. Mon Jul 10 19:11:15 2006.
Message: Never fear, Juan! Interest rates are about where they are going to be for some time. In the 1980's during the Carter Administration, interest rates for 30-year home mortgages reached 18%. So a 7% mortgage is still a very low rate.

If you fear that taxes will be raised then be sure not to vote for any Democrats. They are usually the ones who talk about taxing only "the rich." However, the people whom they define as rich are not even close to what most would call rich. LOL It's always good to ask people to define their terms. :) MK

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Posted by John Bollman Tue Jul 11 19:04:22 2006.
Message: I think that is a pretty unfair statement. Obviously, many of our taxes such as social security and medicare were created by Democrats however, most Americans support programs such as this. You could also argue that if you want a high paying job and retirement security you shouldn't vote Republican. Republicans are for gutting social security. The GOP recently shot down an increase in the minimum wage. It hasn't been increased in something like 12 years. Also, President Bush said we have no money for universal healthcare for Americans yet has spent hundreds of billions of dollars fighting a war in Iraq under false pretenses. Because of his tax cuts he has shifted the burden of paying for social programs, education, and police to the states. We have seen increased taxes and fees in states to make up for this. I don't know about anyone else, but I make about 50k a year and sure didn't see any tax cuts from George W Bush.

[ComerPerro]

1. As long as the professor is the first to bring up partisan politics,

you are completely right to defend yourself and your views.

[Broken_Hero]

66. agreed, fully n/t

[rosesaylavee]

2. Good for you...

And you didn't end with it 'you ignorant slut' so you should still get a decent grade from her.

[lisa58]

16. Or start it with...

...you ignorant slut!

[drm604]

44. You guys don't know anything!

It's "Jane, you ignorant slut". Who leaves off the "Jane"? :shrug:

walks away muttering about "kids today"...

[rosesaylavee]

55. Yep, these youngins don't know Dan.

I think I was too subtle.

[drm604]

72. LOL

:rofl:

[Cha]

30. ..

Yeah, no need to be totally candid!

[dalaigh lllama]

52. Now I've got Dan Akroyd in my head

saying, "Jane, you ignorant slut!" :rofl:

:hi:

[rosesaylavee]

54. You got it! n/t

[Sanity Claws]

3. What about reporting her to the college administration?

Respond with facts to her and then report her comments and your response to administration.
I know I'd hate to be paying tuition and have to listen to someone who's blowing smoke out her ass.
BTW, what on-line university are we talking about?

[alcibiades_mystery]

She's a professor

She's professing.

WTF would you "report her" for?

Fucking little Nazi state we're in now, everybody "reporting" everybody else.

[Sanity Claws]

13. ??????

I talked about reporting her rudeness and inappropriate remarks to college administrators, not the FBI.

Frankly, what is she "professing" in that political statement, to use your verb?

College instructors are supposed to teach a syllabus approved by the administration. I sincerely doubt that her political opinions are part of the approved syllabus.

Also, I would want to protect myself against an idiot instructor who thinks her political views are part of the course. I would be concerned about retaliation. Grading in college is very subjective.

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. For all you know, she is playing devil's advocate for the purpose of

discussion. I ofvten take up conservative positions with openly liberal students to see whether they can think through a counter-argument. Thank God little Nazi cry-babies don't go whining to the administration every time this happens (they would be laughed out of the office, in any case).

And yes, college professors teach a syllabus "approved" by administration, usually in their departments, but there is not really that much oversight apart from the matching of the materials with the approved course description, and you are expected to actually have a position on the materials.

Grading can be abused, but very seldom does it happen. The idea of "subjective" grading is mostly a myth concocted by mediocre students. I've administered grade reviews on numerous occasions for first-year composition courses (supposedly the most subjective of the subjective grading situations), almost always based on the claim that the instructor was "punishing the student" for a political position. In almost every case, the instructor's grade was replicated in blind review by four to five colleagues. In a few cases, the grade did seem off - but this was always the case of a very inexperienced instructor, and in one case, the grade was actually too high (the review grade replaced the instructor's grade - too bad, so sad). It's mostly a case of students having a vastly inflated idea of their own performance, coupled with some resentment to latch on to that would explain the disparity.

[hunter]

76. Ah, but it's not just grades. Sometimes you have to ask for help.

Some professors enjoyed my company, and were happy to help me out. Usually these were not the professors I'd flamed. I had a perfectly hellish experience with my senior thesis because I hadn't cultivated positive relationships with some of the people who were part of that process.

Usually you can tell if your professor is taking a contrary position simply to exercise your brain. After a good argument they like you more, not less.

[BushOut06]

58. I was under the impression this discussion took place on a message board

As repugnant as her views may be, she shouldn't be restricted from posting her views on an internet message board.

[StrongbadTehAwesome]

67. I'm pretty sure the OP mentioned that it was an online course.

Most of those have class-centered discussion boards through academic websites like Blackboard. The professor's leading a class discussion, not spending her off-hours at FR.

[BushOut06]

68. Actually he said it was a discussion board

It's an internet class, and they also happen to have a discussion board. If the professor had made those statements as part of the actual class, I would agree they're out of line. But on an auxillary discussion board, I think the restrictions should be relaxed, and the professor should be allowed to state her opinions. If it were a progressive teacher, would we be complaining?

[mike_c]

73. what are you talking about...?

"College instructors are supposed to teach a syllabus approved by the administration."

Not in any college worth attending, IMO. I can assure you that no "administration" officials approve my syllabus-- many wouldn't even fully understand it. College isn't high school-- our job is to challenge students and make them think. In a discussion about politics a professor's political opinion-- or his/her response to student opinions-- is the point of departure for that process of challenging assumptions and stimulating critical thought. For example, I'm as liberal as the night is long, but I routinely challenge students by arguing utterly reactionary conservative positions-- there is no intellectual growth in having one's opinions validated by authority, whether in the legislature or in the classroom.

You don't EVER want to take one of my classes, I suspect.

[Hissyspit]

31. Report her for what?

Reporting a professor because you don't agree with their point of view would be immature and rather asinine.

University's are ABOUT debate and being exposed to other points of view. The woman sounds doltish, not all that well-informed despite her PhD, and big on confirmation bias, but that's hardly unexpected coming from a human being. If she has a LONG track record of getting BASIC facts wrong, then I could see why concerns might be raised.

[fishwax]

32. what's to report?

that the professor expressed a political opinion?

[jsamuel]

49. I would say that it was inappropriate for the teacher to

tell the students who to vote for/against. But I don't think that is something worth "reporting" over. Discussion is best.

Unless, the teacher takes offence to the discussion and takes it out on this student. That should be reported.

[fishwax]

51. I think there's a difference between saying something like

"if you don't like high taxes, vote republican" and "if you care about your grade, vote republican."

The first doesn't seem inappropriate to me at all (depending on the context, of course). Inaccurate and refutable, but not inappropriate.

I agree, though, that if the teacher takes any offense out on the student, then the grade would be worth challenging and the teacher's behavior worth reporting.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Seeing as how Reagan was inaugurated in January 1981

I question her silly "in the 1980's, during the Carter administration..."

Ask HER to define "rich," and defend her position with actual figures. If she has a PhD, she should be able to provide her rationale fairly quickly.

[klook]

15. Well, Carter served in 1980

and one month into 1981, so that just about covers "the 1980s," I guess. :eyes: And of course anything bad that happened the rest of the decade was all Jimmy's fault, I'm sure this professor would say.

[Hippo_Tron]

71. Actually it was Bill Clinton's fault

That damn Governor of Arkansas was fucking up everything.

[klook]

81. Exactly, the Clenis's evil influence spreads

both forward and backward along the timeline, seeping ever outward like a stain on a blue dress. So he's responsible not only for everything that's wrong today, but also for everything that was wrong before he became president--maybe even before he was born.

[OhioChick]

5. Good Job!

:thumbsup:

[BayCityProgressive]

9. I have no intention

of turning her in. She is merely expressing her views on a discussion board. I just thought it was very off base.

[Senator]

63. She's not "merely expressing her views"

She's "teaching" false information.

She has been duped by RW propaganda.

Those 18% rates were the result of Reagan's non-enforcement of law -- long after Carter.

There's no telling what else she thinks she "knows."

Any professor who provides false information to students needs to be reported to their department head and to the college administration. This is because all of their reputations are on the line.

You might offer he the opportunity to correct the record herself and alert her own superiors to her breach of professional responsibility to get her facts straight, but if she dismisses you or refuses, you should seriously consider reporting her.

Or you might let DUers DU it. (Could be more fun.)

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[Ron Green]

6. You might point out to her that the 1980's was not the Carter

administration, but the Reagan one.

[Quakerfriend]

7. Great response. You would think that she, as a poli sci prof,

would try to appear a bit more neutral. Jeez.

[blm]

8. She can LOL all she wants, but Clinton's tax was on those making 180,000

a year and up. Yeah - that's alot richer than 98% of the rest of Americans pulling a paycheck, no matter how she wants to claim it isn't.

[Jackpine Radical]

24. Especially back in those days, before the crazy inflation

that was actually brought on by the energy crises but pinned on Carter. Hell, I think I made about 14k a year back then as a university instructor.

[Gabi Hayes]

ask this cretin if this is where she got her "Ph.D":

http://www.princessatlarge.com/blowmeuniversity.htm

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. It was Reagan that raised SS taxes 50%...

... to pay for the baby boomer's retirements. Workers at the time bought into the idea because we didn't want to be a burden on our children. To paraphrase Ms Rice, who could have forseen that two Bushes would borrow it all to spend it on other things.

Neither party taxes the rich. Wealth isn't taxed at all, only wages. High-income wage earners are still wage earners. Dividends and capital gains are taxed to a comparatively small degree.

[sandnsea]

11. I bought a house during Carter

My interest rate was somewhere around 7%. In 1983, when I worked for real estate lawyers, interest was up around 15-16%. She clearly has no clue.

Ask her if she believes the Reagan tax cuts are responsible for the Clinton boom. I always love when they roll out that one.

You respond with -

So the Reagan tax cuts leaped over the 1987 stock market crash, soared past Bush's 10% unemployment, and fell smack dab into the middle of the 90's. Yeah - okay - sure.

She's an idiot, PHD or no.

[YankeyMCC]

12. Perfectly appropriate and well stated

[progressoid]

14. But...but...but I thought all professors were liberal (and probably gay)

Give her hell!

[joneschick]

17. 30 years worth of mortgage rates

I'll let you match it against different administrations

http://ohio.howardhannamortgage.com/site.cfm/education/30-year-rate-history.cfm

[bbinacan]

41. I looked at your link,

Why no data between Nov. 1980 and March 1981?

[joneschick]

60. isn't that just an interesting little blank spot?

I'm too tired to do further research tonight. that would certainly bear some scrutinizing...it just looked like a good general reference, definitely not vouching for it, although it looks about right from what I remember. I was working in mortgage accounting at that time and I've repressed most of the memories.........banking peon. gak.

[mnhtnbb]

62. Not really. There are gaps of several months in other years, too

[joneschick]

64. ok.

[Midlodemocrat]

18. I think you did a great job.

You were very polite and simply pointed out how wrong she was about everything she said.


Good work!

[DesertRat]

19. I think that you were right to respond in that way

She slammed Democrats and you had every right to respond the way that you did. If the exchange continues, be sure to think through your response first, keep to the facts and don't let your passion for the topic take over the discussion (I am guilty of this).
Bravo! I'm a teacher and I give you an A+ (Kindergarten teacher, but that still counts!) :)

[lisa58]

20. You did a great job...

...no need to be concerned that you were over the line.

[skipos]

21. I don't vote for my wallet, but if I did

I'd consider that Democratic presidents historically yeild better economies. Forbes has analysis that backs this up.

"Not surprisingly, Bill Clinton tops the magazine's prosperity chart. He is followed by two other Democrats – Johnson and Kennedy. The first Republican to show up is Reagan, who comes in fourth. No Democrat finishes lower than seventh (Truman), and the last three spots are all occupied by Republicans (Nixon, Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush). On a scale of one to eleven (one being Bill Clinton, eleven being the elder Bush), Democrats have an average ranking of 3.8, Republicans of 7.8."

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=131769

Which probably explains why democrats are better for the stock market too.

DOW SINCE 1901
Republican years Avg. annual change 6.9%
Democratic years Avg. annual change 13.3%
Source: Stock Trader's Almanac 2005

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2005-12-02-presidents_x.htm

[Mojambo]

22. I can't wait to see your grade!

Good for you, either way.

[SensibleAmerican]

38. I've gotten great grades in classes where I've disagreed with the prof

Over a wide variety of issues, not just political.

[AllNamesHaveBeenUsed]

47. Stole my thunder...

A person who feels the need to discuss his/her PhD at every opportunity, most likely has a fragile ego.

[INdemo]

23. You might wanna think about switching classes or dropping that class

because I think she will have revenge in mind..You might want to consider taking a copy of the email to the Deans office..She was forcing her ideology on to you and that had nothing to do with the class......

[Warren DeMontague]

25. "During the Carter Administration, In the 1980s"?

What is that, the Creationist Calendar?

[BayCityProgressive]

26. Well she also

asked us what the best way to stop terrorism would be and here was my response to that after she rattled off about showing countries we won't tolerate it and we aren't afraid to act blah blah blah...

Posted by John Bollman Tue Jul 11 18:51:08 2006.
Message: The only way for the USA to work with other nations against terrorism is to have a definition of terrorism that everyone agrees with. We defined Al Qaeda and the Taliban as terrorist or terrorist supporting groups, yet we have turned a blind eye towards other similar groups. This makes us look hypocritical. All nations must agree that the use of violence against the civilian population of any nation in order to influence political decisions is equal to terrorism.
There is currently a controversial case where the US is harboring a man by the name of Posada, who launched terrorist bombings againt Cuba and even blew up a civilian airplane in the country. Yet we have dragged our feet in expediting him to Cuba. How is this not terrorism? Why should Cuba take us seriously?

It is now well known that the CIA also supported death squads throughout Latin America in the 1980's. How is this not terrorism? Unfortunately, most nations do engage in these forms of aggression towards other nations for their own self interests. We see it in the Israel/Palestine situation and the Russia/Chechnya situation. Terrorism until recently, was prevelant in Ireland as well. Until all nations agree that attacking civilian populations to influence government policy is wrong, and take steps to end it, there will never be an end to terrorism.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

28. This, too, is an excellent answer

I hope that the rest of the class is paying attention to your posts.

[unblock]

45. well carter was president through january 20, 1981

so that is a tad over a year of "the 80s", and that was when the interest rates were at their highest.

of course, the CAUSE of the interest rates goes back to nixon and ford and the arab oil shocks.

instead of actually addressing inflation, ford printed up some "whip inflation now" buttons.

carter appointed paul volker to chair the fed, and he solved the problem by jacking up interest rates.


as usual, republicans were part of the problem, democrats were the solution, and yet the republicans always blame the democrats.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. I remember those buttons.

And I get what you're saying- Still, if I were to make a general statement about what decade Carter was president in, I'd say "The 70s" Just like Clinton was, really, a 90s President when you get right down to it.

I might be inclined to give this person the benefit of the doubt, but she sounds like kind of a pinhead besides; could be she really doesn't know when Carter was President.

[acmejack]

27. I just love this little image.

One picture being worth a thousand words and all! Just mention something about priorities. Of course now we have to pay back that pesky $9,000,000,000,000.00...

[Cha]

29. What did she get a phd

in, Greed?

You had an Excellent response..thank you so much for not letting that disingenous shite go unanswered!

[Justpat]

34. I think your professor got her PH.D degree out of a grab bag. n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

35. I see nothing wrong with your reply at all.

See seem so obnoxious.

[w4rma]

36. As a note, flat taxes, such as the sales tax, also hits lower income folks

the hardest. Income hit higher income folks the hardest and are about the only type of tax that does.

Progressive taxes vs. regressive taxes.

[Cleita]

37. You were respectful and your facts can't be denied.

I see nothing wrong with correcting the teacher when she is wrong.

[Sir Jeffrey]

39. Tax cuts are deferred tax increases on future generations...

Simple to compute, and your partisan/idiot professor should know better. Try posting something like this (or cut and paste this...I don't care):

Govt costs X to operate. When you cuts taxes, you bring in about 60-70% of X. The remaining 20-30% needed to reach X is borrowed money...which requires interest to be paid on those dollars. Yes, when you cut taxes you sometimes raise revenues, but you also grow the deficit. When the money has to be repaid, that unnecessary debt you took on 5-7 years ago has to be repaid plus interest. That takes money away from the future tax revenue, which means it costs more to operate the govt than would otherwise be necessary under the existing tax structure.

In simpler words, if the damned rich people would stop forcing tax increases on future generations, our govt could actually fully fund all govt programs and either cut taxes (for real) in the future or run a surplus.

And you are absolutely right about fee increases, shifting the burden to the states for social programs, etc. Most people don't understand simple economics, and maybe you can connect the dots for others in your class. Good luck. There are a lot of dense folks in academia these days.

[niyad]

40. I bought my house in 83'--interest rate of 7.5 percent--could not have

afforded anything higher, so "prof" needs to get a few facts straight, not right.

[greiner3]

42. There are some righties in college;

I go to a large midwestern university and talking with professors, I find that most of them are left leaning if not out-and-out Democratic. The talk of the right about wanting to narrow the gap philisophically speaking in the universities just won't wash, in my opinion. First of all, teachers are kind, helpful and empathetic people. Republicans are not. They base their outward opinions on how it will help themselves. This is a form of mental illness. The students will see through it quickly, just as the OP did. Secondly, the pay is nothing that a good Republican strives for. What might happen is that state and federal legislatures raise the pay for teachers and professors, hence attracting more and more Republicans but the law of supply and demand take over. There will be many applicants who will have years of experience and it is they that will get hired. Guess what? They are the Democrats that had to leave the profession when they were down-sized. Thirdly, I know Republicans work hard. Look back at Reagan and his mid-day naps and our current loser, Bush and his month long vacations. No, I think republicans, at least a larger number, will stay out of the classroom. I hope from both ends of the room.

[redacted]

43. I'd ask her what Cracker Jack box that PhD came from, . . .

Right after I dropped the class.

[hunter]

46. Geeez. Go for the smackdown after you have passed her class.

To do it before is madness.

My specialty in college was hit and run diatribes. Some of them were quite nasty. If I could do college over, I'd do it with a lot less ruffling of my professors' feathers, and a lot less abuse of their teaching assistants.

Some professors enjoy debate, but some are a little insecure.

She "has to mention she has a PH.D in every sentence???" DANGER! DANGER!

[AllNamesHaveBeenUsed]

48. I said the same thing...

She "has to mention she has a PH.D in every sentence???" DANGER! DANGER!

- a clear indication of a fragile ego. Riling such a person might impact your GPA.

[spacelady]

53. Yes mortgages were high, so was the return on cd savings (15%)

what's the disparity back in the 70's?? The minimum wage has not even begun to match that.

[Swamp Rat]

56. Reagan was president in 1981 ... PhD from Univ. of Phoenix online?

:eyes:

[mistertrickster]

57. Damn right, BayCityProg . . . I myself am a college professor, and I

would never say anything this partisan in class. Your response was thoughtful and measured by comparison.

"Don't vote for Democrats!" Shit, David Horowitz (spelling?) would sue a "liberal" professor for saying that about Republicans.

It always slays me when I hear college professors complaining about "taxes." Taxes pay about 2/3rds of a state school's operating costs. You should ask Ms. Go-It-Alone, Ph.D. if she's willing to double or triple her 6-9 hour a week teaching "load" so that the rich can afford to buy that second yacht. You could ask her if she want to repay the taxpayers the 20-30 thousand dollars they spent subsidizing her Ph.D. You should see if she's willing to give up her state pension, which fully HALF is paid for by taxpayers.

There's nothing more hypocritical than a state-supported employee like a college professor with her cushy, tax-payer, tenured sinecure looking out from her air conditioned office saying, "I did it all myself. I owe society nothing."

[mistertrickster]

59. BTW, on-line "classes" are about as satisfying as on-line "sex" IMHO

I've taught on-line before. It's like talking to people with dixie cups and a length of string.

I won't take them or teach them anymore. Frankly, I think they're a boondoggle: great money-maker for the college, and a steaming pile of donkey dung for the student and teacher.

[mnhtnbb]

61. Bought a condo in CA in 1982--interest rate was 16% and Ronnie

was President.

[slackmaster]

74. I started working for a bank about that time

I remember jumbo certificates of deposit (principal of $100,000 or more) paying 11% or even 12% interest.

It was ridiculous.

[Chomskyite]

65. From an American Lit teacher

Do the necessary research on tax rates, on which presidents put through more progressive tax policies and which more regressive. Then look up the interest rates. Then, once you find the likely answer that Democrats tend to target the rich and not the poor for tax raises, ask your teacher if she has any contrary information you're not aware of. She probably won't answer. But your classmates will have benefitted immeasurably.

And mentioning the Ph.D. every sentence is pretty crass. It's best only to mention it when forced to.

[Hekate]

78. Excellent strategy -- do the research, back up your statements

Having the PhD in her sig line or header is appropriate -- the accomplishment/professional designation simply speaks for itself that way. No further mention needed unless her ego needs propping up.

Hekate

[hfojvt]

69. you sorta went way off topic and did not answer her points

Factually you could have pointed to Clinton's increase of the top tax rates at the same time he cut taxes at the bottom and increased the EIC. You could have pointed to Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.

As to the interest rates. The "real" interest rate is the interest rate minus the inflation rate. Compare that between Carter and today. And the interest rates of the Carter and Reagan administrations were not really the fault of either President, but the result of Fed Chairman Paul Volcker who was trying to "wring inflation out of the economy" by squeezing the money supply.

Plus at $50,000 you must have seen some tax cut from Bush, unless your state taxes went up, but it could be argued that they always do that anyway. They haven't in Kansas anyway.

[LSK]

70. ask her to explain to us how we have a huge deficit

And a few years ago we had a surplus. Ask her who created that deficit and how she expects to pay for it.

[conflictgirl]

75. Ah...I know that professor!

Did she happen to write the textbook? I had her for the same class and switched to a different prof. after the first class.

If you're at the school I think you are (we're in the same area), is there any way you can take an on-campus course? I did mostly internet courses there before I transferred to the 4-year state u. in this area, but I had enough trouble with government courses that I took one on campus with a guy who used to be the mayor of Lansing, and he was great.

Hope this isn't too much of a thread derailing and you can PM me for more if you want, but that teacher is NOTORIOUS for being difficult in the way you described. Since she brought it up, I think you should feel okay responding the way you did. In most of my classes, the professors have been pretty tolerant of political debate and didn't grade poorly if you didn't agree with them. But again, she's very notoriously unpleasant in that way.

[gr8dane_daddy]

77. Nothing wrong with your response.

I remember taking on my HR professor during my MBA program about racial profiling. I (being of Hispanic descent) felt that everyone should be subject to inspection while he (of German descent) felt that they should do racial profiling at airports and only harass those of dark skin. I argued that up until a week before class, they never had a female suicide bomber. So you can never tell. He argued that it was inconvenient for him during a vacation trip. We also went around and round on firing people and notifying them early. He advocated letting them know Monday they're getting fired on Friday. I said no, keep it secret until Friday. He asked me why...I said 2 words: Workplace Violence. Ended up getting an "A".

[REP]

79. She's Violating Code of Ethics. Report Her.

She can't do that in her classroom, even if it's online. Report her to your academic counselor.

[kevinbgoode]

80. Tell her you signed up for Political Science. . .

not Science Fiction. . .hahahaha...

Seriously, if you are polite. . .it might not hurt to carefully tell her that you have a bit of concern about the course, now that she has identified her own political viewpoints and has decided to incorporate them into the class. Just ask her how she expects the discourse to continue throughout the course - that kinda puts her on notice to watch any indoctrination plans she might have...and also lets her know that you can respect her point of view but her position of power requires certain professional conduct.

I had one rabidly rightwing professor - he made us GO to wingnut web sites and treat them as gospel - I was pretty pissed about having to hold my tongue to get a good grade. I vowed I would never put myself through that again in a classroom. . .and when I teach, I'm very careful about injecting my own political opinions...even ones about being gay. Hell, I took my students to the godhatesfags.com web site...major hate place. . .and then to godhatesshrimp.com. . .the counter group...lol. Education is supposed to be an adventure.

[deaniac21]

82. Delta College is notorius for sucking.

[conflictgirl]

84. It is?

Among whom? I went there, and so did my husband, and we both had great experiences overall. A few years ago, at least, it was on a list that I saw of best community colleges in the nation.

[deaniac21]

85. Well, there you go. I was just kidding.

It's the Harvard of the midwest!

[PaDem]

83. The gibberish about Democrats and taxes........

relly doesn't sound like it's coming from a PhD poli-sci professor.