So, Ken Lay = M.L. King, also = Jesus Christ. I think I'm going to hurl.

[Redstone]

No shit, that statement was REALLY made at his funeral.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/lay.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

Fuck me. Somebody compared Ken Lay with MLK and Jesus. In public. With a a straight face. Sorry for being repetitive, but it's just SO astonishing that I can't wrap my mind around it, somehow.

Redstone

[ComerPerro]

1. Christ was crucified, MLK was assasinated, and Lay, well

he apparently died of a heart attack in his Aspen vacation home.


How Christlike.

[tom_paine]

22. No, Lay was assassinated.

What I wouldn't give to be able to have an autopsy performed.

Injection point behind the ear, anyone?

[ComerPerro]

35. there's no real reason to assasinate lay

[tom_paine]

51. You mean, other than he was about to face a sentence that has caused

tough Mafia guys and hardened killers to flip like cheese omelets?

Let me make it perfectly clear. Like the identities of the urners of the Reichstag, and the Anthrax Assassin who targeted Democrats and Media, we will never know. His body, coincidentally, was disposed of nearly as swiftly as a Mafia victims, the "autopsy" done by a Bush Mafia Doctor.

Lay knew where all the bodies where buried. Lay helped Cheney carve up the Iraqi fields even before 9/11 gave them the opportunity they seemed to anticipate. Lay may even have known what all what the half-dozen or more "terrorist attack simulations", that were coincidentally run on 9/11, which hopelessly muddled the response.

Whatever Lay knew, he knew alot, and he was faced with a decision that, I am forced to repeat, in the history of high criminality has caused many much tougher men to flip...and to be killed for it.

Will we ever know? Probably not. But I strongly disagree with you're assertion that there was no reason to whack Lay.

He had between now and senetncing to flip and cop a plea deal.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

2. Disgusting.

Ken Lay is one of the worst people to walk the planet. Not one of the best.

Now I can lie with a straight face, but I couldn't manage that.

[arcane1]

5. I've been having my first-ever grave-desecration fantasies

and not doing a good job of talking myself out of it

[Junkdrawer]

17. He was cremated...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1582225

[CatholicEdHead]

21. So you cannot tell if those ashes are him or not?

/takes tinfoil hat off

[arcane1]

23. dammit!

must every fantasy end this way? :silly:

[tom_paine]

25. Of course he was. To destroy the evidence.

In either case the same would be true. Hide the injection point where the KCl was adminstered to produce a heart attack undetectable as foul-play (but the injection point would show it).

Or simply burn some homeless guy while Lay enjoys summer in the Caymans.

[Junkdrawer]

28. The "body" of the most famous White Collar Criminal of the last century...

was declared dead, autopsied by a guest coroner, and released to the funeral home in route to cremation in about 12 hours.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[itzamirakul]

3. Anyone know what church that minister is headquartered at?

He needs to get some mail...

[TomInTib]

13. No Church. St Thomas University, Houston.

see #11

[TomInTib]

14. Here's more on Reverend Dr. Bill "Uncle Tom" Lawson

The guy stood side by side with MLK and then James A Baker and the boys got their hooks in him.

http://www.rotaryhouston.org/pages/citizen.html

[oasis]

20. The "hooks" looked something like these...

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$:dilemma:

[itzamirakul]

29. OMG! I didn't recognize the name (still don't) from the 60s.

Oh, HE will DEFINITELY get some mail from me!

But then again, I think half of the King kids are selling out to the so-called christian arm of the $ party also. They might have gotten paid to let the minister use the MLK name. Two of the kids are against it and 2 for it.

[Critters2]

36. I think you're confusing him with Jim Lawson.

The Rev. James Lawson....
http://interpretermagazine.org/interior_print.asp?ptid=1&mid=2326&pagemode=print

The Rev. Dr. Bill Lawson
http://www.explorefaith.org/bio.lawson_w.html

Not the same guy.

James Lawson is a good soul.

Bill Lawson is a whore.

[TomInTib]

43. Bill Lawson deserves to burn, but he was with King, as well.

I knew his daughter, Melanie, in Houston. She was an anchor on the ABC affiliate.

She had pictures of the bastard with MLK in several different settings.

The 'pubs have for years had a couple of black Houston preachers on the payroll, KirbyJohn Caldwell and Lawson.

[Critters2]

44. I stand corrected. And stunned.

How could one have actually heard Dr. King preach, see the important work he did for the poor (he was killed defending the poorest of the poor--black garbage collectors in the South), and moe to a point of lionizing scum like Ken Lay.

I am sickened.


But thanks for the info.

[TomInTib]

50. It happened when Reagan was in office.

Lawson was a pillar of the black community, the pastor of Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church.

Then it was as if someone had flipped a switch.

Total sellout.

[Critters2]

19. The service was held at First United Methodist in Houston

and the church made it quite a show! Hired city cops for security, paid for parking spaces, with the right to tow cars from city streets, etc.

Bill Lawson is a minister in the United Methodist Church. A denomination that should be ashamed of itself today.

On edti...First UMC is one of the charities the family has designated for memorial gifts. Moneychangers.

[steve2470]

4. call me cynical, but how much did they pay this guy to say this ?

<snip>
The Reverend Dr. Bill Lawson compared Lay with civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. and Jesus Christ, and said his name would eventually be cleared.
<snip>

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/lay.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

[goclark]

38. "Rev." Lawson, Kenny Boy Lay is no MLK Jr. but you sir

are a Crook of the highest order.

[patrice]

6. Right, "we" killed this innocent, because he was rich.

:sarcasm:

[Jara sang]

7. Do they fucking believe their own lies?

First off, republicans hate black people. Second, which Christ? The Christ who drove the money changers from the temple or the NEW-Christ that fundys believe in who condones state sponsored murder?

[Junkdrawer]

8. Well, they say Christ rose from the grave too....

:evilgrin:

[steve2470]

9. If Hitler had died a natural death in Germany in 1945...

his funeral would have sounded the same. Geez.

[Critters2]

45. Love the polar bear avatar!! nt

[SeattleGirl]

10. You notice, don't you, that the worse a person's behavior was/is

the more the righties compare them to people/figures who truly are great. We really have fallen down the fucking rabbit hole.

[TomInTib]

11. Reverend Dr. William (Bill) Lawson (Houston)

Political Uncle Tom.

Baker and them plucked him out from behind the pulpit and set him up in some sort of 'humanitarian' foundation at St Thomas U in Houston.

They trot him out every once in a while to say something nice about right-wing shit to appeal to the sympathy of the Black Community.

He has been kissing Republican ass since Nixon.

They give him Rotary awards and other trinkets and pieces of paper to put on his desk and hang on his walls. Makes him feel important, you know.

[Critters2]

24. I'll say this again

First United Methodist Church in Houston should be ashamed of itself for allowing its sanctuary to be used for this specatacle.

[TomInTib]

31. I will second that

Absolutely outrageous.

[Redstone]

40. "Baker and them." You either grew up, or lived a while in the South,

didn't you?

That's one of my favorite Southern ways of expressing a concept.

Redstone

[Critters2]

41. We say that in the Midwest, too. nt

[Redstone]

42. Ha! Thanks for telling me that. I never spent much time in the Midwest

(except for business trips, and those don't count for getting to know people from somewhere).

As an amateur student of American dialects, I really do appreciate this nugget of knowledge.

Redstone

[Critters2]

47. Well, I can't speak for everyone, but

we say it all the time where I'm from...Eastern Iowa/Western Illinois. I'm pretty sure my cousins in Eastern Illinois do, too.

[Redstone]

49. Thanks for the geographic elucidation. I used to go to eastern Iowa

(Cedar Rapids) on business a lot, but never heard it. Probably because the company I was visiting (Rockwell) had people from all over, not necessarily locals, working there.

Just in case you're curious, I REALLY liked Cedar Rapids and the rest of eastern Iowa. It's a place I could be happy living in. And I'm damn picky about where I live.

Redstone

[itzamirakul]

48. Right! I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio and we sure said, "and them"

there. I still do although I no longer live in Ohio.

[Penndems]

12. Lay probably made a substantial contribution to the church, LOL

The Lay family might have slipped a little extra to the preacher to put that in. }(

[Critters2]

34. The family named it as the recipient of memorial gifts

With friends like Lay's, First UMC is about to come into a tidy sum, I'm guessing.

[Penndems]

46. That would explain the over-the-top eulogy for Kenny Boy

No wonder the minister loved him so much. I suspect if the dearly departed was a pauper, the rememberance wouldn't have been so effusive.

[wain]

15. The CEO has ultimate responsibility and accountability

If he was criminally innocent, he utterly failed as a CEO to not know what was going on and to create a management environment over which he had no control, no communication channels.

That said, I cannot for a minute believe he did not know what was going on.

I've learned power can be very intoxicating, even removing oneself from reality. Being able to understand right from wrong. We witness this trait of self-proclaimed innocence too often in our leaders.
:(

[Virginia Dare]

16. As sure as he is that Kenny boy is in heaven...

I'm even more sure he's in Hell, if there is such a place. That so-called Reverend is a disgrace to his religion and his race for making such a comparison, he is beneath contempt.

[fishwax]

18. Ken Lay was the victim of a lynching

He was, like christ, crucified by a government that mistreated him. :puke:

That according to the Rev. Bill Lawson ... http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/enron_lay_quotes.reut/index.htm

[Jara sang]

26. Leave a comment at his website:

Err, I mean "prayer request" :evilgrin:

http://www.wheelerbc.org/revwilliamalawson.htm

[Critters2]

27. Done!

Pastor to pastor!

Jesus called people like him "snakes"!

[itzamirakul]

30. What biblical character can Lay be compared to? One of the

moneychangers that Jesus chased out of the temple?

For all the money that Lay relieved his employees of, he seems more like a Judas for deceiving them.

[Critters2]

33. Indeed. Well said.

[Telly Savalas]

32. So when do the "Ken Lay is my coach" figurines go on sale?

[Initech]

37. So Jesus was a money-stealing, price-gouging power hungry corporate whore?

I always thought he was a carpenter...

:sarcasm:

[Critters2]

39. Started out as a carpenter

Then he got an MBA, and met the Bushes. :sarcasm: