Israel invading/bombing Lebanon - a method to drag Iran into conflict?

[NoodleyAppendage]

It occurred to me with the US condemning Iran and Syria following Israeli military action in Lebanon that maybe this whole military step up against Lebanon is an attempt to pull Iran into doing something stupid. If Iran aided Lebanon or even entered into the fight would give the "PERFECT" excuse for Israel to bomb the crap out of the Iranian nuke facility.

Are the neocons at it again???? But, this time they are ginning up a conflict via Israel to get what they want?

J

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[benburch]

2. More likely to drag Pakistan into the conflict.

Pakistan has REAL WMDs, unlike the imagined ones in Iraq and Iran.

[The Magistrate]

3. No, Sir, It Is Not

It could easily grow to involve Syria, but offers no real path to involvement with Iran.

And it would not have occured in any case without the action by Hezbollah. Thus to cast it as a plot to involve Syria and Iran by the U.S. requires assertion that Hezbollah acts at the direction of the U.S., which is to introduce a degree of levity to the discusion the situation really does not warrant.

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[Warren DeMontague]

17. Must be tough for them to all be working for Israel

when they're very clearly operating at the behest of the Saudi leadership.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. I also don't think you understand the psychology of the American People.

A big, Monster SUV drivin' chunk of 'em would chew off their own leg and sell their grandmother to a pimp to keep oil from hitting $100 a barrel.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Israel invading/bombing Lebanon seems to be all about reversing

the results of that Palestinian election. They have been trying to punish the Palestinian citizens for it ever since.

[bemildred]

5. It seems clear that Hiz'bullah went out of it's way to pick a fight here.

Certainly Israel seems anxious to help them out. As in any bar fight, we will soon find out who is full of shit, and who is not, perhaps all of them actually; but it seems unlikely that Hiz'bullah was doing the bidding of the Neocons. I would be really surprised if Iran jumped in or was dragged in, they have no motive to interfere, things are just ducky as they sit from Iran's POV, and there is little reason for the US to go to Lebanon to get Iran involved, if that's what they want to do.

[cliss]

6. Don't know, but here are some recent photos.

Source: Swedish online newspaper Dagens Nyheter

[kenny blankenship]

7. right on the money

we could quibble about who is drawing whom into whose war, but I think you got it.
Both Israel and Bush equally want this war to go "theater-wide" to finish what they set out to do. The timing in the run-up to our midterm elections is very obvious but with the American media pulling for the team the way they always do, that obvious question will just get swept under the rug with all the others.

[The Magistrate]

8. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir

How does the fact of Hezbollah attacking Israeli soldiers fit into that grand scheme?

[benburch]

9. I'm betting he will say...

...that it was provoked intentionally.

Just a guess.

[kenny blankenship]

13. The Princess and the Pea. Curveball. Mobile weapons labs.

The slimmest excuse for war will do for a Fascist, who has decided that war is in his interest and that the time is right.
When the time is right, seize upon whatever irritant is handy to launch your war. When a good irritant comes your way--the time will never be better so launch away.

[The Magistrate]

14. Fair Enough, Sir

And yet still, without the Hezbollah attack, no hostilities tonight in Lebanon....

[McCamy Taylor]

16. Dude, its what they do. And if they didnt do it, some one could pretend to

be them, and no one would doubt that they were responsible. You are way too naive

If someone wanted to set this plan in motion all they would have to do it wait for someone to do the wrong thing. The wrong thing happens like once a week in the middle east. And if it doesnt happen, you can put on someone else's uniform and pretend it did.

[The Magistrate]

18. So Are You, Ma'am, Stating In All Seriousness

That you imagine this was an act by someone other than Hezbollah?

And by the way, thank you for calling me naive: nothing brings such joy to this cold old heart of mine....

[McCamy Taylor]

21. Odds are it was Hezbollah, but be aware things arent always as they seem.

People need to think more. If you do not have actual proof and if there is some other possibility, you can not discount it, just because the second possibility is not as "nice" or "pleasant" especially if the second possibility is one that has happened before. There have been plenty of instances in US history in which the American people have been tricked into war. Gulf of Tonkin anyone? Dick Cheney is especially fond of recycling Nixon era strategies.

[The Magistrate]

23. Since The Head Of That Organization, Ma'am

Has stated it carried out the operation and has the captives in a secure location he claims the Israelis will never penetrate, what is the point of this rigamarol of "other possibilities" you have attempted to raise?

"The object of opening the mind, like that of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid."

[McCamy Taylor]

25. "He who replies to words of doubt, doth put the light of knowledge

out" William Blake

[Mojorabbit]

10. I had the same thought and I think an incident in which

Iran could be implicated could easily be manafactured.

[McCamy Taylor]

12. To put this in context, a few months ago, the "Israel attacks Iran first

and then calls for help from the UN and/or the US" scenerio was on the top of most people's lists for the number one strategy that the Bush administration would use to get us into war with Iran, since it was clear that the American people had no intention of letting Bush unilaterally attack another mideast nation. Bush and Cheney are bound and determined to attack Iran, and they plan to do it now, as part of their midterm election strategy, since the drumbeat to war with Iraq worked so well for them in 2002.

It is perfectlty inderstandable that given the current political climate in the US, the crazy actions of the Israelis might look like something the NeoCons orchestrated. People here would be fools not to wonder if the guys who made up Iraq's WMDs are not up to their old dirty tricks again.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Lots of

:tinfoilhat: today/tonight.

[McCamy Taylor]

20. Four years ago people said I had one when I said WMDs were lies.

I wrote one of the first letters to the editor to get published in a major newspaper back in July 2002, about how the nation was getting suckered by the Bush administration into a pointless war with Iraq. Everything I wrote in that letter was true, but it took years for people to realize that they bought a war on evidence so flimsy you could not have blown a soap bubble with it.

Now, you take a bunch of guys who will make up lies about WMDs and who will treat the Constitution like toilet paper and arrange to kidnap people on foreign soil and take them to other countries to be tortured and you tell me that they would not enlist the aid of Israel to jump start a war that they want and the American people do not want.

You can never be too vigilent in your defense of democracy with these guys. That was why I was not fooled by the lies about WMDs and so many people were. I wanted real proof, not just their assurances.

[NoodleyAppendage]

31. You and about 250,000 who marched in NYC prior to war...

Lots of people warned about the trick being played upon the world by the Chimp administration, but the media did NOTHING to investigate those claims. Let's see how intrepid those same reporters are now that they are "wiser" to the neocon methods. I'm hoping that some won't take the bait this time around.

J

[HuffleClaw]

22. nah, merely a pretext to blame iran for the entire mess itself

yada yada... support for terror... blah blah blah...

the usual agitprop crap.

[McCamy Taylor]

24. Here it is, "US Blames Iran and Syria" from MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13830971/

“We also hold Syria and Iran — which directly support Hezbollah — responsible for this attack and for the ensuing violence,” Jones said. “Hezbollah’s terrorism is not in Lebanon’s interest."


Bush, Cheney and Rice want us at war with Iran yesterday.

[NoodleyAppendage]

29. Exactly. The media is being led to believe that Iran is the major culprit

I'm afraid that we are now looking at the eve of WWIII.

Brought to you by a bunch of crazy neocons and the pro-Israel hardliners.

J

[McCamy Taylor]

26. The same but more so (and with Bill Frist!) at Fox News! This is scripted!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203166,00.html

"'The United States condemns in the strongest terms this unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for Hezbollah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the immediate and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers," reads a statement released by the White House press secretary."

[NoodleyAppendage]

30. Just in time for 2006 midterms...media is following along in lockstep.

I was wondering how the Repukes and the neocons were going to complete their regional dominance plans. A pox upon all their houses.

J

[azurnoir]

27. There is also this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2384479

Didn't they mumble something about a "draw down" in troops? Just a few days ago?

There is another possibility here: Lebanon's president is a Christian and friendly to Washington, Hezbollah(sp) is part of the Lebanese government and was allowed to be so to stop further violence after the Syrian pullout. There is almost certainly a more diplomatic solution possible and I believe after this incident would be willing to help force Hezbollah (sp)out.

[McCamy Taylor]

28. Dont forget that oil companies will make a windfall--> RNC cash

from all this tough talk aimed at Iran. I hear the GOP is cash strapped right now and they need all the donations they can get.