John Does 1-10

[Me.]

Any guesses as to who is also included in the Plame civil suit besides Cheney, Libby & Rove?

“Former CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, filed suit in federal court today against Vice President Dick Cheney, his former Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, top Presidential advisor Karl Rove and other unnamed senior White House officials, for their role in the public disclosure of Valerie Wilson's classified CIA status.” Cont…

Also from same article:

“UPDATE: And the civil suit has been filed, and names Libby, Rove, Cheney and John Does 1 through 10. Interesting…”

“Amb. Wilson just sent me an updated statement in response to Bob Novak:

"Robert Novak, some other commentators and the Administration continue to try to completely distort the role that Valerie Wilson played with respect to Ambassador Wilson’s trip to Niger. The facts are beyond dispute. The Office of the Vice President requested that the CIA investigate reports of alleged uranium purchases by Iraq from Niger. The CIA setup a meeting to respond to the Vice President’s inquiry. Another CIA official, not Valerie Wilson, suggested to Valerie Wilson’s supervisor that the Ambassador attend that meeting. That other CIA official made the recommendation because that official was familiar with the Ambassador’s vast experience in Niger and knew of a previous trip to Africa concerning uranium matters that had been undertaken by the Ambassador on behalf of the CIA in 1999. Valerie Wilson’s supervisor subsequently asked her to relay a request from him to the Ambassador that he would like the Ambassador to attend the meeting at the CIA. Valerie Wilson did not participate in the meeting.

As the CIA itself has officially confirmed, Valerie Wilson did not send Ambassador Wilson to Niger and she neither suggested him nor recommended him for the trip. Furthermore, the Ambassador agreed to travel to Niger pro bono with only his travel expenses being paid."

I wanted to be sure everyone had a chance to see the update. More as I get it…”

http://www.firedoglake.com/

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[im10ashus]

1. Indeed, very interesting.

Bush? Judith Miller? Tenet? Novak?

[Coexist]

2. thank you for this.

[Me.]

3. Welcome...

Any guesses? I'm thinking Bolton, Fleischer, Hannah, Wurmser and Matalin (would love this) for starters.

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[Coexist]

4. I agree on Bolton and Fleischer

I need to think more on this for the other eight. I would put money on H2Oman's guesses.

[Me.]

5. Me Too

I hope this thread catches his eye.

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[hang a left]

40. I think the names will come out when people start giving depositions. nt

[karlrschneider]

6. kickety

:kick:

[H2O Man]

7. WHIG.

They are going at the WHIG.

This is the iceberg that has been moving directly at the good ship Shadow Government since April. It's surfaced. It is big.

[Me.]

8. Woohoo

Think Gingrich is a John?

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[Pithy Cherub]

16. You said it for me!

WHIG the sales side of the White House that Iraq built and the operational players from the NSC to be named later. It kinda complicates knowing who to pardon doesn't it? :P

WOW, this summer novella is really good! :popcorn:

[H2O Man]

19. Kind of

takes the wind out of the little Novak thing, eh?

[bleever]

22. Condi directed reporters to look at who sent Wilson

in a press gaggle on the tarmac of an African airport.

Does the absence of a "Jane Doe" in the complaint have any significance is this respect?

[H2O Man]

24. Grom Wilson's book

we know that he found her lies unconvincing and insulting. I hope to see her included.

[lala_rawraw]

9. just my op, but perhaps members of WHIG?

[Me.]

12. Great Minds?

#'s 7 & 9

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[lala_rawraw]

18. hehehe... not mine, but your mind of course:)

[bleever]

23. Shall we look at the list?

From the wikipedia entry on WHIG:

* Karl Rove
* Karen Hughes
* Mary Matalin
* Andrew Card
* James R. Wilkinson
* Nicholas E. Calio
* Condoleezza Rice
* Stephen Hadley
* I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby


Add Bolton, and you get 10.

:)

[bleever]

25. Or, trade Nicholas E. Calio for Fleischer.

Had to look Calio up. Here's the Wikipedia entry:

Calio received his undergraduate degree from Ohio Wesleyan University, graduating in 1975, and subsequently graduated from Case Western Reserve University School of Law.

He worked as President George H. W. Bush's Assistant to the President for Legislative Affairs. In this role, he worked with members of Congress to create legislation. He also held the same position under George W. Bush.

Calio was one of the founders of the lobbying firm O'Brien Calio in 1993, where he was a partner. In 1998, he was named on of the ten most powerful lobbyists in Washington. Prior to this, he had served as the Vice-President of The Duberstein Group and the Senior Vice-President of the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors.

In 2002, Calio was a member of the White House Iraq Group.

Interesting, but nothing pertinent to the Plame case at first glance.

[Me.]

26. Gingrich Was/Is Also A Member Too

Would like to see his role in the whole ghastly war become public. He gets very little blame for the harm he does. Helped plan and set up K Street also.

Was David Addington a member of the group?

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[bleever]

27. Damn! I was thinking about Newt earlier, and didn't notice

he's not listed.

Should we trade Card? He never seemed to engage in much of the media game, to my knowledge.

[bleever]

29. Karen Hughes left the WH in July 2002,

and though in constant touch with * while back in TX, she may not have been in the game at that time. I'm putting her in my "to be traded" pile.

There has to be room for these players: Gingrich, Bolton, Fleischer, and maybe even El pResidente himself. He was, after all, on that Air Force One flight where the State Department memo was passed around, and he did in fact give his okay to "declassifying" info to rebut Wilson.

Said "declassification" though, was legit, according to them. Ultimately, I think Bush is insulated by his testimony to Fitz that he approved of the release of the info after the full declassification process was completed. Cheney was the guy who jumped the gun and broke the law there, and that's probably where the buck will stop.

[Me.]

32. No I Don't Think We Should Trade Card

He started the group and was in it up to his eyeballs. He just stayed under the radar. To be honest, I think Card a more likely candidate to talk to Novak than Armitage. What I think we have to keep in mind is who the heavy hitter in the group were, and as H20Man suggested, who were the go-betweens who spread the word? And Lordy, I wish Woodward was going to be pulled into this.

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[bleever]

37. LOL.

I was wishing for Woodward too, but figured that under the Novak standard, he was probably not vulnerable here.

Armitage gets a pass, based on all evidence I've seen. No motive. Not a Kool-Aid drinker, and if his contribution is inadvertant, he's not on the radar for a civil suit, just like Novak's poor CIA source who said Yeah, she's undercover, and please dear god don't publicize it.

[bleever]

39. Andy Card as Novak's unrevealed source?

Might make a man suddenly interested in spending more time with his family.

?

[yodermon]

41. or the shrubbery himself, n/t

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. Filing Doe Defendants Is Standard Practice

It would be malpractice, IMO, if a plaintiff's attorney FAILED to name Doe defendants.

The practice is to ensure you can add other defendants later, if necessary, should the discovery process reveal more wrongdoers.

DTH

[Me.]

13. Interesting Point

and you & #11 are, regarding legality and all such goings on, absolutely correct. However, ever since I read about the Does I couldn't escape the feeling that JW is going to go after as many of the reprobates as he can.

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[DoveTurnedHawk]

14. Don't Get Me Wrong; I Absolutely Hope He Does Go After Everyone He Can

I'm just saying it's standard practice, and doesn't mean anything in and of itself.

DTH

[mikelgb]

11. Look. I found the definition of the Does in the actual suit filed

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0713062plame4.html

Last paragraph.

Basically they don't know who they are but know they have to have been there for the conspiracy.

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15. I hope when Chris Matthews reads that the lawsuit states that Valerie

Plame DID NOT SEND JOE WILSON, that Chris swallows hard and chokes on his tongue. Really. What was it he said last night? That this was the usual spouse getting a job for their spouse?

[Me.]

17. I Don't Think He Said Quite That

I think he was saying that that is what the felons said when trying to diminish the case. I took it as a challenge to that rabbity Rodgers trying to say that it was a boondoggle and that she wasn't qualified. The problem with Tweety (well one of them ) is that when he gets excited he starts shooting questions and gets himself twisted up like a pretzel.

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31. No offense, but if that was a challenge, why do they call it Hardball?

[Me.]

33. None Taken

What I saw was Rodgers touting those tired old talking points on Plame and Tweety batting it back at him. H20Man is right, in this issue CM has been on the better side. But post if you find a video.

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[H2O Man]

20. I think you

are taking what he said way out of context, and are applying the exact opposite meaning to it than intended. Matthews has supported Wilson since day one.

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30. It's not the way I heard it. He may have just been repeating back

the point the guest had just made, but in Tweety's case, I'll wait for a replay before I give him the benefit of the doubt.

[lonestarnot]

34. He's been against the war from the start of it, and I can't stand

the freak.

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35. I know his stance on the war. It's the Plame situation that is in question

[H2O Man]

44. Actually

it's not in question.

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45. If he has come out strongly against Rove and Novak regarding

the Plame situation, why isn't THAT making Crooks and Liars? Why wouldn't proof that we've got someone's attention on the MSM on something as important as the outing of a CIA agent, suddenly the subject line for a thread?

[H2O Man]

46. I'm not sure

what you are saying. However, no one who has read Wilson's book or who has watched Hardball should be confused as to Matthews' position on the case. He warned Joe Wilson about the Rove attack on Valerie, and his program has provided the best coverage on the Plame scandal in the corporate media.

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47. Well, there you go. I don't watch his show unless he does something

that really pisses someone off who later comes and vents on DU. So maybe we should ask C&L to get clips of the guy when he actually agrees with us and broadcast that, because it's the agreements which will pave the way to Bush's impeachment.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. Everyone in this picture

except maybe Pickles. She's usually to xanaxed out to know what's going on.

[johnfunk]

28. Tim Russert, John Ellis (FOX), Paul Gigot,...

... John Fund, Judith Miller, and probably Brit Hume.

Roger Ailes might well be one of the intermediaries too.

I will bet dollars to doughnuts that MOST of the John Does are press toadies of the Cheney Cabal -- and ALL of them are on the John Doe list.

Probably David Addington too.

[Guaranteed]

36. The Does are just a placeholder so they can get in under the SOL. nt

[bleever]

38. Keeping my mind open to this possibility too. nt

[Guaranteed]

43. It's basically the same thing as DTH said above. nt

[autorank]

42. Aye, aye, me! K&R n/t

[Me.]

48. Thrilled That Your Vote Will Be Counted

wish it was so everywhere! Keep up the good work.

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