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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:24 AM
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White House lashes out at Gore "hypocrisy" on domestic spying
http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=4371681&nav=0RYb

The White House is lashing out at Al Gore for accusing President Bush of breaking the law with warrantless wiretaps.
Press Secretary Scott McClellan says -- quoting here -- Gore's "hypocrisy knows no bounds."

Yesterday, Gore said Bush's approval of the snooping on phone calls and e-mail exchanges with terror suspects abroad was a "direct assault" on the court that Congress set up to monitor domestic spying. The former vice president called it a "threat to the very structure of our government."

Firing back, McClellan notes that when Gore was in office, the F-B-I didn't get a warrant when it searched the home of agent-turned-spy Robert Hanssen -- and a Clinton administration official defended the search.

McClellan adds that if Gore is now the Democratic Party's "voice" on national security -- quoting again -- "We welcome it."

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OMG, they get more pathetic by the day!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I posted this in LBN but it's just too good to not post it here too ;)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:27 AM
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1. te he--at least Gore got their attention
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:28 AM
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2. He said: ""We welcome it."???
Then why the need for damage control? If they really believed it would benefit them, then they would just sit silently and let it play it's course.

Correct?
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:30 AM
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4. another version of "bring it on!"
losers...
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:31 AM
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5. "We Welcome It"
really means, "Bring `em on!" Ehhhyyyyyyup!

Gore has them more than a bit nervous. I'll bet they forgot all about him and he pulled a sneak attack. Lovin' it!

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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:29 AM
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3. At the time they didn't need one.
So look at the record:
One sneek and peek=one arrest and conviction.
Pretty good score.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:31 AM
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6. the gore salvo has worked.
gore has put it into the atmosphere in a way that it sticks -- he's done his job.

it doesn't matter what bushco says now.

with all that illegal electronic surveillance -- bushco DID NOT get their man.

clinto/gore{legally} got theirs.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:32 AM
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7. Saying its "hypocracy" means they admit its illegal - follow the logic
"Clinton did it too!" clearly means "either they are both illegal or both legal."

That is a tacit admission of guilt. They have no legal standing, so claim innocence by precident.

p.s. There is no "Physical Search" equivalent to FISA. Oops, guess they missed that tiny little point.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:32 AM
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8. Yes, they welcome it until...
their name calling is no longer accepted as fact and they are called to answer for their crimes. When the media stops falling for their same old tricks, and start asking questions of those in power, then they will welcome it...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:43 AM
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9. Background on Gorelick and Schmidt(Trib) law on FOREIGN attack
From Media Matters:

While Gorelick did express concerns that the highly restrictive requirements that apply to criminal searches might "restrict the President's ability to collect foreign intelligence," she stated that such "ability" would not be infringed upon if these searches were to be governed by "the basic provisions" of FISA:

GORELICK: Nevertheless, I reiterate the Administration's willingness to support appropriate legislation that does not restrict the President's ability to collect foreign intelligence necessary for the national security. We need to strike a balance that sacrifices neither our security nor our civil liberties.

If we can achieve such a balance -- and I believe we can if we use the basic provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- we can accomplish a number of things.

Furthermore, York's claim that, even after FISA had been amended to require court orders for physical searches, Clinton "still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own" is false, according to Think Progress. Following the 1995 amendment, the Clinton administration never argued that the president's "inherent authority" allowed him to bypass FISA, as the Bush administration has done in the case of its domestic surveillance activities.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0512210142dec21,0,3553632.story?coll=chi-newsopinioncommentary-hed

In the Supreme Court's 1972 Keith decision holding that the president does not have inherent authority to order wiretapping without warrants to combat domestic threats, the court said explicitly that it was not questioning the president's authority to take such action in response to threats from abroad.

Four federal courts of appeal subsequently faced the issue squarely and held that the president has inherent authority to authorize wiretapping for foreign intelligence purposes without judicial warrant.

FISA contains a provision making it illegal to "engage in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute." The term "electronic surveillance" is defined to exclude interception outside the U.S., as done by the NSA, unless there is interception of a communication "sent by or intended to be received by a particular, known United States person" (a U.S. citizen or permanent resident) and the communication is intercepted by "intentionally targeting that United States person." The cryptic descriptions of the NSA program leave unclear whether it involves targeting of identified U.S. citizens. If the surveillance is based upon other kinds of evidence, it would fall outside what a FISA court could authorize and also outside the act's prohibition on electronic surveillance.

FISA does not anticipate a post-Sept. 11 situation. What was needed after Sept. 11, according to the president, was surveillance beyond what could be authorized under that kind of individualized case-by-case judgment. It is hard to imagine the Supreme Court second-guessing that presidential judgment.

But we cannot eliminate the need for extraordinary action in the kind of unforeseen circumstances presented by Sept.11. I do not believe the Constitution allows Congress to take away from the president the inherent authority to act in response to a foreign attack (SO NAME THE FOREIGN POWER THAT ATTACKED US????). That inherent power is reason to be careful about who we elect as president, but it is authority we have needed in the past and, in the light of history, could well need again.

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John Schmidt served under President Clinton from 1994 to 1997 as the associate attorney general of the United States. He is now a partner in the Chicago-based law firm of Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw.







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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:02 AM
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10. Scotty Lies Again.
We need someone on our side to do press conferences every day following Scotty--someone who can tell the truth.
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Free the Press Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:13 AM
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11. um, Scotty? Mr. Credibility? ††† "The Adventures of Pinocchio" †††
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:47 AM
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12. LOL!
:D
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 04:13 PM
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13. kick
:kick:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 04:14 PM
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14. yeah, beam me up
scotty
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