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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:42 PM
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Does Wilson's "Civil Suit" mean Fitz's Investigation stops with Libby?
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 09:49 PM by KoKo01
Does it mean that they want to be assured that even if Bush Pardon's Libby that there will still be a case?

Could Leopold's story have been true? "Sealed vs. Sealed" was "kiss of death" for Fitz?

Leopold might have jumped the gun and given false hopes but did he actually have sources who knew that something was going down with Rove...but it didn't turn out the way folks thought it would?

(Please don't jump on TO and Leopold with this post...we've hashed that one to death...but that Leopold got info that was from the Right and Bush sources that was just not what he or us out here on the Liberal Blogs wanted to hear might have been true. That we took what he said and thought it meant what he hoped would be Rove indictment...is for him to know and beside
the point at this time)

Was Fitz's investigation so buried in pixie dust that he couldn't come up with anything more than Libby because of "Rico" type conspiracy and does this mean that "Civil Suit" is the last hope? :shrug:

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:43 PM
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1. No.
They can both exist at the same time. A civil suit and criminal prosecution are two very different things.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:48 PM
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2. my personal guess is National Security
that's the catchall weapon of this administration, so although Clinton could not postpone
a civil lawsuit because no president can be above the law, the entire Bush administration
except for the designated scapegoat can skate using national security as a cloak of
invulnerability. Remember Karl Rove said I am not going to be indicted, he didn't say
I have been cleared.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 09:51 PM
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3. If they were going to file a suit
they had to do it now because of the statute of limitations.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:23 PM
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4. Tomorrow is 3 years
since Novak wrote his article exposing Valerie

http://mediamatters.org/items/200607130008
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:26 PM
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5. Maybe you should listen to the discussion
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 10:27 PM by jmatthan
between the founder of Air America and Mike Malloy. He stated that Fitz was hamstrung by his position and the whle investigation was a "sham".

You should find this discussion in the Mike Malloy Archives on Benburch's site White Rose Society.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:33 PM
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6. I am beginning to believe that Fitzgerald's "investigation" is in
reality a "stonewall". The Libby thing is weak and will be set aside by Bush after the November elections.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:14 PM
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9. agreeded. nat security trumps everything.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:18 PM
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10. Gonzales Shut Him Down as Soon as the BFEE Got the CIA Under Control
Very little time elapsed from the appointment of Hayden to run the CIA
and the abrupt end of Fitzgerald's investigation.

Coincidence?

I think not.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:08 AM
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14. The fact that they showed no signs of firing Fitz made me suspicious.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:09 AM
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15. No Need to Fire Him. He Still Has The Job He Had Before
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:16 AM
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16. What I meant by the "fire him" was that if he had begun to
worry the administration about possible indictments, they would have fired him.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:22 AM
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17. They Shut Down the Investigation and Quashed the Indictments
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:34 AM
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18. Well, that's one way to do it and probably what they did.
I seem to be bucking a headwind with you here.

My original statement was that I lost the hope that Fitzgerald was going to bring in some good indictments when I observed that the administration made no effort to relieve him of his duties. That was before the changes in the CIA. I'm not sure exactly what we are arguing about.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:39 PM
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7. Ask Jason Leopold. DU'll believe it.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:02 PM
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8. Fitz's investigation
for all intents and purposes is dead and was before this suit. No one else is getting indicted, unless you believe hacks like Leopold (and screw him - he's about as credible as Stephen Glass).

I think at this point Plame understands that (and did soon after the announcement that Rove wouldn't be indicted) and this is likely the only recourse they can have to punish those that leaked her name for political purposes.


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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:23 PM
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12. They Have No Recourse At All. This Suit Will Be Quashed Instantly
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:47 PM
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13. I'm afraid you're right. And the charges against Libby
will be dropped soon, too.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 01:45 AM
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19. Most likely you'll be right
but if this is a civil suit (rather than a criminal suit) the charges may be easier to prove.

Either way, it's an uphill climb and those responsible will unlikely face any justice.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:22 PM
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11. Yes. They Only Tolerated Fitzgerald Until Hayden Took over the CIA
Now it's over. There will be no more investigations.
Libby will be pardoned as soon as it is politically expedient,

They are above the law.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 09:34 AM
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20. Anyone have any more thoughts on this after the Wilson's Press Conference
It would seem to depend on the Judge who gets the case and probably Cheney and his crowd will pull out all the stops making sure it's a judge not favorable to the case going forward. Although Fitzgerald managed to get a Grand Jury from a Judge who is supposedly very conservative...and I wonder if that precedent will help Wilson's lawyers? :shrug:
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