Colbert just CRUCIFIED Joe Lieberman

[Terran1212]

Haha anyone watching? That was great! I love how he made the point that this can happen to any Democrat -- we're looking at you Hillary.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Uh oh

Her fan club is in the house. LOL

[milkyway]

2. "Apparently, low approval ratings can be contracted by saliva."

Talking of Bush kissing Lieberman. What a great line!

[flpoljunkie]

68. Link to video from crooksandliars for those who missed it...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/13/colbert-on-lieberman-lamont-and-david-brooks/

[Theres-a]

74. Hilarious!

I saw it last night,but will send the link along...

[RB TexLa]

3. I'll take that bet

I'll even give whatever odds you want. :rofl:

[lonestarnot]

4. Damn, was it after Washington the 2nd District?

[Sydnie]

9. Washington was last night

wasn't it? :shrug:

[lonestarnot]

11. Yes, the rerun is played at 8:30, so I do have to wait up. Thanks.

[BlooInBloo]

5. If he said hilary himself, it's a stupid point....

The NY Senator votes progressive 92% of the time.

The CN Senator votes progressive 70-ish% of the time.

There is NO comparison.

Unless you're a single-issue kind of person, that it. (And note that that single issue is not, in fact, a specifically partisan issue.)

[rodeodance]

7. Hil. is NO Lieberman!

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[skipos]

16. Damn,

how often do you post something positive about a Democrat? I am not saying you have to or anything...

[Terran1212]

21. So because she has D next to her name

I'm supposed to like her? I like many Democrats, but acting like I'm against the Party because I support Hilary's opponent IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMAY is nonsense.

[skipos]

27. Serious extrapolating there

I asked you one question (and you didn't answer it, by the way). I didn't say anything about the primary or anything else. No biggee. :)

[Canuckistanian]

61. When they start acting like the opposition

I'll start calling 'em Democrats.

Ok, all you Dems, here's a Democrat:



Study him carefully. This is your example. HE is a true Democrat.

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[BlooInBloo]

14. If you truly have progressive values, then Clinton agrees with you...

... 92% of the time.

Sure, 100% would be wonderful. But to contend that 92% is awful is just a flat-out lie.

[Terran1212]

15. These percentage figures are Bush-level BS imo

Where are you getting them? Are you dictating to US how progressive she is compared to US? Isn't that for us to decide?

[BlooInBloo]

17. LOL! you're a trip.

There are many sites that aggregate this data, for those with enough interest to find it themselves, rather than cast aspersions on others.

For the benefit of the lazy among us, here's one such:

http://www.progressivepunch.org/members.jsp?search=selectName&member=NYI&chamber=Senate&zip=&x=41&y=9


Note that I am not affiliated with any of these vote-aggregators in any fashion whatsoever. Despite what people might suggest for absolutely no reason, and with absolutely no evidence.

[Terran1212]

19. I don't care for however you want to rig the numbers

I care for issues related to us.

Hilary is for the war, against living wages, against gay marriage, and against single payer healthcare.

Tasini is for all of the above.

Is it just that you're against democracy? That you prefer that we vote the way you want, not what we "believe in" as Paul Wellstone said (and Tasini is now using in his campaign)?

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[BlooInBloo]

23. Um, your head was just handed to you. Shh.

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[Terran1212]

32. You really stirred it up now

Lieberman and Clinton are fair game to about half of DU, but go after Kerry...

Personally I agree that I don't feel the multimillionaire Dems who are "too good" for activists and the peace movement and labor are anything special.

And that's why I support the Congressional Progressive Caucus and not much else in our Congress.

[readmoreoften]

30. Hardly. Hell! The HRC gave Lieberman a high rating on gay issues.

Progressive Punch isn't the end-all on these issues. And data can be skewed. Like voting against a flag burning amendment to keep your progressive score high, while designing another flag burning amendment to keep your moderates happy. Hillary is a good politician and I like her better than some. But she is wrong on the war and I don't particularly trust her because she is too busy playing the middle for the benefit of her presidential ambition and not busy serving her constituents, of which I am one.

[Terran1212]

33. Betraying us on the war is enough to go

Opposing living wages, gay marriage, flag desecration rights, and singe payer healthcare is enough to never have her back.

Honestly, what "single issue" could be more important than that? These are Lieberman talking points.

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[readmoreoften]

58. I'm with you. She has not represented me well.

She hasn't done enough about union busting. She is not standing up for gay marriage. She voted for the war. I don't know what else to say really.

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[leftchick]

72. Hillary is pro-corporation

She is as compromised as joementum.

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[Terran1212]

24. It's hard to argue with Hilary apologists

They'll just call you some name and scold you for voting against someone because -- GASP -- you don't like what they are doing and prefer the positions of their opponent.

This is just like Republicans scolding Kerry voters because we though Bush was too conservative. I can imagine it now: "But X website says he votes on progressive issues 5% of the time! Isn't that AMAZING?! How dare you support a more progressive candidate because you believe in his stances!!!!!!"

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[proud2BlibKansan]

46. And what is the deal with them?

Are the Hillary apologists in town for their annual convention or something? Or is it a very contagious virus we are dealing with? :)

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[Sydnie]

25. Where are the twins????

[fudge stripe cookays]

57. Yeah.

Progressive values like those espoused by Fox....

owned by Murdoch....

With whom she just did a fundraiser.

:eyes:

I trust Hil about as far as I can throw her, sorry.

[Recursion]

65. Not all percents in that are equal

Supporting a progressive platform 92% of the time can mean a lot of different things.

Some issues I cannot compromise on:
1. Voting rights
2. A person's control over his or her (and "her" is the important and attacked one in today's society) own body and medical choices
3. An end to the occupation of Iraq, which is the greatest current threat to national and global security

Some issues I can compromise on:
1. Gun rights (I've yet to find a democrat who supports RTKBA as much as I do)
2. School vouchers (I'm against them, but won't torpedo a candidate who is willing to give them a shot)
3. The death penalty (I'm against it, but understand people who are sincerely for it)

Unfortunately, some of Hillary's 8% falls well within the issues I can't compromise on. I'm just happy I don't live in NY and don't have to decide whether to support her or not.

[Nite Owl]

6. That was great!

The word:Democracy

[Sydnie]

8. It was so perfect ... there are no words

just tears from laughing so hard!

[me b zola]

12. I've been howling

:rofl:

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[Sydnie]

34. Afraid no one would see it the first time you posted it

or what?

[Terran1212]

43. I wish Hilary would "Stop Election Fraud"

Barbara Boxer and Cynthia McKinney stood up strongly in 2004 and 2000 respectively for the disenfranchised.

Where was Hilary? At one of Rupert Murdoch's banquets?

[zulchzulu]

35. Hehehe...how is Kerry "just like Bush"...

I got to see this...

:popcorn:

[Sydnie]

36. I would stay for the "stoning" but I have to go to bed

Save some corn for me ... even day old is good.

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[Terran1212]

41. He's not as bad but very close to him politically

If you were to plot them on the Political Compass, and politicalcompass.org DID plot them, they'd be only a few spaces apart.

I know they both use wildly different rhetoric, but policy wise they are very close. They agree on most things.

Such is the nature of American Politics. Owned and operated by the hyper wealthy in their interests.

Heck, I'll say it: Nader was the best candidate in 2000 and 2004. I still supported Kerry just to get Bush out, but I'm not dumb enough to think that Kerry was a liberal God who was going to put working people at the top of his agenda. His entire life is contrary to that.

Now we take someone like Denis Kucinich, who lived half his life in a car with his family in some dusty street, who marched with the antiwar movement, who stood up every time he was asked for progressive values -- now THAT'S a working class, pro-peace, progressive.

The Dems in the Senate are mostly a charade.

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[Strelnikov_]

40. Ha Ha. You Funny . . .

in the head.

[Terran1212]

42. If you read Upton Sinclair

I thought you'd see the two-party consensus on maintaining rule of the Super Rich. Heck, he saw it.

[Strelnikov_]

44. Not Getting Into Another DU 'Faries On The Head Of A Pin' Debate

Stating that Kerry, Obama, Clinton, and even Liberman are 'just like Chimp' is moronic or trolling (which brings us back to moronic).

[Terran1212]

45. They are in the same class of hyper wealthy people

who don't care about the working class, who have a consensus on 90% of the issues.

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56. No, I Just Think Saying Kerry et.al. Are 'Just Like Bush' Is Moronic

Peaches

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53. Heck you should see the fight i'm getting into with Hilary vs Tasini peopl

It's like people here on DU don't WANT a Senator who is both antiwar and much more progressive than Hillary. It's like they have some attachment that supercedes politics to Hilary Clinton.

Tasini is a good Democrat running a fair primary with exactly 100 times less campaign funds than Clinton.

And I'm damn proud of him. Call me whatever you want, but I call myself an American who enjoys his democracy.

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[Strelnikov_]

51. SEIG HEIL MEIN FUHRER !!!!!!!!!! n/y

[Terran1212]

52. I thought this was the Democratic Party

And that we vote for leaders as we like them. Did John Kerry get 100% of the votes in the primary (which was vigorously rigged with big money to begin with)? No?

Is it possible there are Democrats who don't like John Kerry? I mean, is that humanly possible? Or are there computer chips in our brain that will malfunction if we don't like either of two incredibly rich plutocrats who can't POSSIBLY represent the diversity of ideas among 300 million Americans.

I support some of Kerry's initiatives like his recent fight and turnaround to withdraw from Iraq. But do I like him? Is he ideal? No way. I'm not attached to the person -- I'm attached to the ISSUES.

And John is a man so privileged and detached from normal people that it's no wonder he opposes single payer healthcare and gay marriage and living wages and was so giddy to vote for the Iraq War Resolution. He's no Paul Wellstone. I'm a Denis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney and Paul Wellstone Democrat. Big tent party -- remember?

[Czolgosz]

59. K & R

[bleever]

60. Why is Name Removed so active on this thread?

He/She won't reply directly.

:shrug:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

62. I don't think I've ever seen Name Removed post so many times

on a single thread?

Usually the thread is deleted before Name Removed can get in so many posts.

[Rageneau]

63. Wow -- so many deleted posts! The tracks of a new moderator?

[Rageneau]

64. Oops, I see now that all deleted posts are from one poster. .

So as Emily Latella would say, "Never mind."

I got to this thread late. I wonder what this 'name removed' fellow had to say that caused all his posts to be quarantined?

[UTUSN]

66. In 60+posts nobody has complained that "crucifying (a Jew)" is as

smuckworthy as Shrub using the word "crusade" re: Arabs?

[Terran1212]

70. well if you LOOK for racism

you'll find it anywhere

[im10ashus]

71. That's because he is being crucified for his republican agenda.

Not his faith. The two are not the same.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

75. Yes--at the very least, an extremely poor choice for words

[Ava]

67. saw it last night..

had to tivo it for the mom! ;)

[im10ashus]

69. Saw the video last night.

EXCELLENT! Let's purge ourselves of the republican-like dems.

[Laurab]

73. Colbert was BRILLIANT

I laughed out loud sitting all by myself! Tongueing the pResident! His picture morphing into Bush... How he's been an asset to the ...Republican Party!

The Ron Suskind interview was pretty funny too - Cheney's One Percent Doctrine - Colbert says "aren't we being soft on terror there" or something like that, and a few really funny things. If they have that on video somewhere, it's worth watching!


I hate that this thread turned into a Hillary debate. It's about Joementum and Colbert....as far as I know Hillary hasn't tongued the pResident yet.


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