If Lieberman runs as an independent how can we bring him down?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

Let's compile a list:

One idea I have is he said he was going to support the Democratic nominee. He lied!

Has the endorsement of some neocons and RW Radio Hosts.

You next. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[RagingInMiami]

1. I think he would divide the republicans more than the democrats

[Crazy Guggenheim]

9. You do have a point on that. Some Repubs who are sick of the RW.

But how do we crush him?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[RagingInMiami]

18. Call him a flip-flopper

[Crazy Guggenheim]

21. There we go!

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[saltpoint]

2. His swift, fierce endorsements of Bush administration positions

have the intent and effect of minimizing or extinguishing debate with the Democratic Party on Iraq and other issues.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

6. Thank you!!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[saltpoint]

10. How's it goin', CG? Hope all's well your way. I like your 3-popcorn

propositions!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

11. Aside fron the fact that my mother died last week I'm ok I guess.

How are you?

[saltpoint]

34. I didn't know. I am very sorry to hear that news, and send you

whatever good will that the wind will carry.

[readmoreoften]

3. Explain to folks that a vote for Lamont is a vote for Conyers, etc.

We need to vote Dem no matter what! Use the line that the DLCers are always giving the progs. Vote for the Democratic nominee so that we can regain the house and senate.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

4. According to OnTheIssues he favors expanding free trade.

Topic 13.

http://www.issues2000.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm

[mike_c]

5. the problem is that if Lieberman runs as an independent...

...he won't be courting the democratic vote except tangentially. Oh sure, he'll be able to count on the dems who voted for him in the primary, or at least a big percentage of them. But they won't be enough to insure a win-- if he depends on their votes the best he could expect is to split the democratic party and throw the election to the republican challanger or simply lose because Lamont will already rule the dem vote if he wins the primary.

No, Lieberman will be going after republicans and conservatives of other stripes and if he wins, he'll represent a base constituency that bears no resemblence to liberal democrats. The endorsement of RW radio hosts HELPS him with that base rather than hurts him. And so on. The best way to stop Lieberman is to make his primary loss so overwhelming that he understands that even splitting the republican vote won't get him elected because the dems are UNITED against him. He must be made to see that there is no middle to count on. Anything less and he is likely to succeed.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

7. Good answer Mike. But how do we crush him? LOL.

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

23. YES!

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[longship]

8. If Lieberman loses the primary to Lamont, that will be it.

Lamont will win the seat and buh-bye Joementum.

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[Crazy Guggenheim]

15. He was NEVER a Democrat so no loss! Good point! Welcome to DU!

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[Terran1212]

13. We'd BETTER take him down!

Show these clowns that run our Party that we won't tolerate someone trying to act against the interest of the voters -- the ONLY allegiance any politician should have.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

17. He does not represent the interests of the voters! He is Loserman!

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[sandnsea]

16. Two different strategies

I'm sure there's more, but off the top of my head - Lamont actually could head him off at the pass and launch a really massive terrorism, foreign policy, national security campaign. That would be going toe to toe with Lieberman, but if Lamont can stand up with strong ideas on global terrorist cells, Afghanistan, ME peace process, SMART Security and the like - he could win voters who aren't happy with anything Bush is doing internationally. Even Republicans.

Another approach is straight economic populism. Social Security, health care, rebuilding crumbling schools, living wage. Comb through Lieberman's record and run on every wrong vote or comment Lieberman has ever made. Including the recent EC statements which I think women are going to go ballistic over when they realize what it means. That could be a real GOTV drive in itself.

Lamont can win, but it's going to take really knowing the CT voter and a highly targeted and on message strategy.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

20. Good points! He supports school vouchers, believes that drug use is

immoral, opposes reduced spending on "Star Wars" - how's that going to fight terrorism right - favors more spending on Armed forces when he should be thinking about where the money has gone that we've already spent.

http://www.issues2000.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm

[sandnsea]

26. #3 - Bush Says, Lieberman Says

Actually, just hang George Bush right around his neck. 75% of CT disapproves of the job Bush is doing. Pick the 5 worst things, starting with the war, and just stick Lieberman side by side with Bush. Lamont is still going to have to gain voter's confidence, he's only running 18% on a 3-way in the poll I just looked at. But convincing people they don't want Lieberman may be the first step in getting them to consider Lamont. Of course, they might consider the Republican too, especially if Shays decides to step up and Schlesinger steps aside.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

27. YES! GOOD POINTS! That is so good!

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[KingFlorez]

19. No Right-wingers really endorsed him

Really, people should know better than to fall for them saying they like Lieberman. They only say that to anger liberals and they know some will fall for it.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

22. Where's his denial??

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[KingFlorez]

30. He doesn't have them on the list of people who endorsed him on his site

[Crazy Guggenheim]

32. That's not good enough! Where's the denial?

[Clarkie1]

24. It will be difficult.

He will have the support of Democrats who voted for him in the primary, as well as the majority of independents and Republicans. That's the most likely scenario. I think it's wishful thinking to think that Dems who vote for him in the primary, or support him over Lamont, will not vote for him because he is running as an independent. For most Americans, party loyalty is not a very important factor when casting their vote.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

25. So how are you going to get those voters away from him?

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[Clarkie1]

28. That's up to Ned Lamont. I wish him luck. nt

[Crazy Guggenheim]

31. No! The purpose of this thread is how to bring down Lieberman if he

runs as an Independent! PLEASE!! If Lamont is the nominee then we should thing about this!

[Marr]

29. Are the Republicans even running a candidate in this race?

If not, there's your answer. "The Republicans aren't fielding an official candidate in this race. (Bush kiss) Because they've already got an unofficial one. Don't get fooled again."

If they DO run a candidate, then there's nothing to worry about, since Lieberman will be splitting the Republican vote more than the Dem vote.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

33. That's not the question! How do you bring down Lieberman!