WOW!!! My grandmama really took a leap today and I found it hard

[cantstandbush]

to argue with her...not that I really wanted to but get what she said:

Grandmama: The ME is aflame and the world is bordering on total destruction because of gays and the gay marriage issue.

Me: What?!! You have got to be kidding me. You have two grandsons who are gay and you love them dearly.

Grandmama: I know, I know. But if it had not been for the gay marriage issue the bastards in charge now would not have been able to get the votes they needed to remain in office and this neocon cabal would not be running things now. We would be out of Iraq and Israel would not be so cock-sure of themselves that they will continue getting aid and weapons from the US. It'all because of the gay marriage amendment that those Christian nuts came out and voted for these bastards and now they will throwing their children in the flames. Damn it, I want my grandsons to move to Canada.

Me: What can I say?

God, that was a leap but I was totally stunned by her thinking.

[RevCheesehead]

1. Grandma needs a hug....

and one of these: :yourock:

[Marr]

2. Not really. The election was stolen. If it hadn't been gay marriage,

it would've been some other made up non-issue that most people don't give a shit about, and the corporate media would've crowed about it for weeks until it became accepted fact.

[timber84]

3. Good for you and grandma!

[magellan]

4. But the gay marriage issue isn't the fault of the gays

It's the Republicans who politicized it for votes who are to blame.

[cantstandbush]

19. She wasn't blaming the gays. I guess in her use of the language

it could be construed that way but she was solidly blaming the idiots who vote for those silly wedge issues that end up costing them in big ways.

[1monster]

5. It wasn't the gays and the gay marriage issue that got Bush the votes

he needed to win. It was the electronic voting machine counting software. Without that and the various methods of suppressing likely Kerry voters that gave Bush the election.

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. Yep. for the last three elections the Repub 'victory' has been

dependent upon a "surprise" issue or demographic -- the 'evangelical vote', the 'conservative hispanic vote', the 'pro-marriage vote'. Each time, a new group or issue to explain an unexpected, poll-contrary surge in votes for the repubs.

They've already set the stage for this year, with the 'secure borders voters'. Whether they exist or not, that will be the claim.

But it's Diebold, every time.

[AndyA]

6. Tell your Grandma to pick up the phone and call everyone she knows.

Tell her to tell them all that they must vote to get the Republican control in Congress removed. Even if it means voting for Dems they don't like, they must do it to restore the balance we're missing.

Things won't be perfect, but it will prevent more damage from being done, and we can start the repair process.

Use this frustration and anger to do something positive!

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Grandma's still as sharp as a whip!!

[thjudd]

9. Bravo!

As a gay man and budding political scientist, I have to say that I truly believe she is absolutely correct in her summation of the problem. The "gay issue," however, may serve as a catalyst for people truly understanding the lengths to which the Christian right will go - and has painted a fairly gross picture of them.

No fears though, unless Bush happens to be a reconstructionist president (which I don't think he is - I think he's a pre-emptive one myself) a Democrat will be elected in 2008 and a democratic congress will be elected in 2006

That's not just hopeful thinking. My source is Dr. Carey Covington of the University of Iowa. (He specializes in American Executive Politics)

[newyawker99]

23. Hi thjudd!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Bandit]

10. I think the "Pro-Life" desire for mass guns helped as well

:shrug: hell maybe it was that butterfly in Africa that created all this.

[warrens]

11. I was in Montreal last week with my teenage daughter

I made a point of walking her around the McGill campus. Smirky am not getting his meathooks on her when she turns 18 in 08. (And gets to vote for her first Dem)

[havocmom]

12. Find out what needs fixin at Grandma's house

AND FIX IT! Then, take that lady out to supper. Such grannies are to be cherished and taken care of. :hi:

[Minnesota Libra]

13. They are FINALLY learning!! It's been a painful process.........

.....for many but at least it's happening - maybe there's hope for this world yet. I just hope the rest of them wake up before it's too late.

[elehhhhna]

14. Grandmama for President!

[deaniac21]

15. Wow! She talks just like a DU poster!

:toast:

[whirlygigspin]

16. there's a sucker born everyday, Bush just knows who to sucker

Hey Grandma, if it ain't the gays, it's the damn Mexicans and if it ain't the Mexicans then start a war and wave the flag...whatever it takes to get the morons riled up and make e'm vote fer ya.

Bush plays the fool but he's a smart cookie like his momma

a rakin' in the do re mi

--the billions he spends (your tax money) gets flushed through Iraq and right back into their pockets...it's quite a racket

[paparush]

17. The Massachusetts Gay Marriage Stance in May, 2004 was CLEARLY

a republican plot to get the issue on camera..on the nightly news..to show gays and lesbians getting married.
It was meant to divide and conquer and it worked like a charm....

[lukasahero]

18. If it had not been for the idiots who are afraid of gays

It's not the issue, it's the people who fear it that are the problem. It's the eploitation of the issue (and the exploitation of the people who fear it and the exploitation of people who are fighting for their rights) by the "bastards in charge", not the issue itself.

I understand and appreciate what she thinks she's saying but I believe we have to stand up for everyone's rights. I don't believe we should only stand up for them when it's politically convenient for us to do so. You know, once upon a time someone said the same thing about blacks and women. In fact, I KNOW that's what some people said after 9/11...

What she should have said (and perhaps what she really meant) is: "But if it had not been for the exploitation of the gay marriage issue by the bastards in charge..." Perhaps that is too nuanced, too subtle a difference to be easily understood but one blames the gays (who cares about their rights, we have an election to win and we'll get to them later...) and the other places the blame squarely where it belongs - on the "bastards in charge".

[cantstandbush]

21. Hey, her use of English is not all that great but you hit the nail right.

That's exactly what she meant and I am sure most people understand this. Thanks.

[lukasahero]

22. I do get that

It's funny though how some will say that and mean what she meant and some will say the exact same thing (the "because of gays and the gay marriage issue" part) and mean something completely different. Language fascinates me, especially the written word, because we can not easily comprehend the context or the intent of the speaker.

:hug:s to your grandmother.

[northzax]

20. she's right, you know

if we would only capitulate to Al Quaeda's demands to make homosexuality illegal, like the Koran says, they'd leave us alone.

[cynatnite]

24. Will she adopt me?

At least tell her that we all luv her here at DU. :patriot: What a woman!