So who is winning so far?

[Nimrod2005]

Going back few years, around 9/11 time or so, and with all the fireworks today allover the place, and bombings in Madrid, London, Bali, Gaza, Lebanon...etc. our soldiers dead in Iraq, and all the other stuff...

Who do you think is winning?

[Virginia Dare]

1. I only know who is losing....n/t

[Nimrod2005]

Very good point...nt

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Neither

both will lose in the long run. What is sad is that innocents are "losing" right now.

[TahitiNut]

3. Since the only choices in this poll are allied ...

... I'd say they're both winning. The drug cartels never made anything close to the money they've made sine the "War On (Some) Drugs" and Osama's best publicists have been the Bushoilini cabal. "Good Cop v. Bad Cop" is an ages-old game.

[porphyrian]

4. That's really hard to say...

ter·ror·ism n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.



Who does that apply to again?

[AndyA]

5. The terrorists are winning.

Look at what the terrorists hate so much about America, about western society. And look at what's changed since 9/11.

Our government spies on us, listening to our phone calls, reading our E-mail, monitoring our banking activities.

It is now a pain in the neck to fly anywhere, with check points, additional restrictions, and arriving hours before flight time.

Americans are divided, fighting against one another on issues that are minor compared to the really big ones. We have no health care, skyrocketing energy and medical costs, and we aren't putting anything aside for a rainy day.

We have a government that is now leaning more toward fascism than democracy.

Our country is in debt, our military is stretched thin, and we have lost the respect and admiration we once held in the world.

Face it, the terrorists have won. America is not what it once was. The terrorists have changed the way Americans live their lives. They've won.

[Nimrod2005]

6. Andy...You should start a new thread with what you just said!

Makes alot of sense....Thanks.

[titoresque]

7. who are the terrorists?

[AndyA]

10. Who indeed. I suppose they can be anyone or anything that delights

at hurting Americans. Anyone who hates our freedom (as it was), and the way Americans live their lives. Anyone who wants to do us harm, make us suffer, make us live in fear.

I suppose given that description, our government could be terrorists... :eyes:

[Virginia Dare]

11. Precisely...

it's like slogging through a spy novel, sometimes it's so hard to tell who are the good guys and who are the bad.

[anarch]

9. which ones?

One thing's for sure: the rich get a whole lot richer, while the poor get totally screwed, every time.

[Darkhawk32]

8. Abstaining because their goals aren't mutually exclusive. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. As usual, the people are losing.

And, as usual, the people, on both sides, are being told that they are winning while they die. Whether it's the "terrorists", the troops, or the civilians they both murder.

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Gandhi

[Schaumburg_Dem]

13. Most Americans Plan to Vote for Democrats - Drudge Report

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/14/D8IRK1C05.html

I couldn't post because my account standing was to new.

By DONNA CASSATA
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON


Republicans are in jeopardy of losing their grip on Congress in November. With less than four months to the midterm elections, the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that Americans by an almost 3-to-1 margin hold the GOP-controlled Congress in low regard and profess a desire to see Democrats wrest control after a dozen years of Republican rule.

Further complicating the GOP outlook to turn things around is a solid percentage of liberals, moderates and even conservatives who say they'll vote Democratic. The party out of power also holds the edge among persuadable voters, a prospect that doesn't bode well for the Republicans.

The election ultimately will be decided in 435 House districts and 33 Senate contests, in which incumbents typically hold the upper hand. But the survey underscored the difficulty Republicans face in trying to persuade a skeptical public to return them to Washington.

The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,000 adults conducted Monday through Wednesday found that President Bush has stopped his political freefall, with his approval rating of 36 percent basically unchanged from last month. Bush received slightly higher marks for his handling of the Iraq war and the fight against terrorism, weeks after his surprise trip to Baghdad and the killing of Iraqi terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a U.S. airstrike last month.

But a Democratic takeover of either the House or Senate would be disastrous for the president, leaving both his agenda for the last two years in office and the chairmanship of investigative committees in the hands of the opposition party. To seize control of Congress, the Democrats must displace 15 Republicans from House seats and six Republicans from the Senate.

The AP-Ipsos survey asked 789 registered voters if the election for the House were held today, would they vote for the Democratic or Republican candidate in their district. Democrats were favored 51 percent to 40 percent.

More at link.....

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[Nimrod2005]

14. Welcome to DU...

[newyawker99]

15. Hi Schaumburg_Dem!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast: