Hezbollah leader just takes credit for Haifa on CNN.

[Swede]

That they are ready for war and have all the materials they need. Gee,almost like they armed for this ahead of time.

[Kagemusha]

1. So much for the denials

Who knows what that was about. They have their PR ready for war whether Lebanon's ready or not (well, pretty sure it's not actually)...

[northzax]

2. it's like the whole region is armed to the teeth

can you really blame them, though? in that neighborhood, with all the history, not being armed to the teeth is a recipie for being destroyed.

[stop the bleeding]

3. Well if it is CNN then it must be true

:eyes:

[danalytical]

4. Not that I don't have a healthy skepticism of CNN

but I just watched the coverage. It was a live feed from Hezbollah TV that wa being translated. And from what I understand the leader didn't actually claim the first attacks on Haifa as being from Hezbollah. He said that the Zionist wanted it to be true, so now it is true. And that it will be true. Not only that, but they will attack more than just Haifa. Paraphrasing of course. But it seemed like he was saying Israel wanted Hezbollah to be responsible for the Haifa attack yesterday, and they believed it, so Hezbollah went ahead and did attack Haifa and they might as well attack Haifa and Israel in general from now on.

[Kagemusha]

5. ...The Zionist wanted it to be true, so now it is, eh?

...I sorta see the guy's point and all, but what a way to say it...

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Israel WANTED Hezbollah to attack Haifa?...so they did?

What a madman. These are the kind of people Israel has to deal with on a daily basis. Absolutely psychotic madmen.

[danalytical]

7. Did any of you guys see that?

Did you interpret it the way I did or another way? It seems to me that was his point. Now he is calling for an all out Hezbollah regional war on Israel. What a situation we have here. Where's Jimmy Carter when you need him?

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. No, I don't watch CNN. I missed it, but it sounds like something

he would say. Israel wanted it to happen and that's why they did it...sounds about right.

[Terran1212]

8. Israel the victim!!!!1111

I'm starting to get sick of this shit, really. The Arabs are being crushed into the sand every day (don't give me that Gaza disengagement stuff, friend, Israel has been daily attacking Gaza since they "left" it, including shelling a beach) and a few rockets that can't hurt anyone hitting an ISRAELI city and now you're up in arms!

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Oh calm down! You're sounding ridiculous. The madman made an IDIOTIC

statement and YOU defend it? A few rockets that can't hurt anyone????? I'd like to see one of those "rockets that can't hurt anyone" drop on YOUR house...then you would see just how much it "hurts"...your defense of a TERRORIST GROUP LIKE HEZBOLLAH is very telling. You defend Hezbollah??? :rofl::rofl::rofl: no wonder you're so defensive. I would be too.

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[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Show me ONE post where I made a racist remark. That is the SECOND time you

have called me a racist and I don't appreciate it because I don't have a racist bone in my body...as much as YOU want me to. Either apologize or I'm alerting on you!

My remark was about the statement by the madman Hezbollah LEADER that was posted above. HEZBOLLAH IS A TERRORIST GROUP WHO HAS BEEN CONDEMNED BY THE WORLD!!! and YOU support them! What's that make you? SHAME ON YOU!

[danalytical]

21. Who said anything about race? We are talking regional conflicts.

There are Iranian Jews, I worked with one actually. There are Muslim Israelis. The crux of the situation is more territorial and religious than it is about race. Iranians consider themselves Persians, and Palestinians consider themselves Arabs. So who is it exactly that I am racist against?

You numbers are outrageous by the way. 8 people in 5 years? Is that supposed to be a joke? According to the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs:

"1,118 people have been killed by Palestinian violence and terrorism since September 2000."

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm

Now that is a small number compared to those who died in Palestine from Israeli violence. Except the fact that Israel is usually counter attacking. Not always, there is no doubt that they start the cycle up from time to time with their assassinations, but until Hamas and Hezbollah stop declaring Israel needs to be stricken from the holy land, this cycle will never end. Do you not accept Israel's right to exist? And this time don't deflect my questions with venomous accusations.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. He won't ever answer that question. He supports Hezbollah. He said so.

Anyone who defends Israel on this board is a racist in Terran's eyes.

[cali]

28. He/she

thinks H'zbollah is brave and noble, and goes from thread to thread repeating it.

[danalytical]

11. The regional governments can't contain the attacks on Israel

and even if they could they won't. So what is Israel supposed to do? What is YOUR agenda? Would you have Israel return their hard won country back to the surrounding countries? What is your view on the practicality of actually solving the problem over there? Where are the Israelis supposed to go?

Do you have no sympathy for the thousands of Israelis killed by terrorists over the last half century? Or the thousands of years of persecution?

Israel wasn't always a super strong military force in the region you know. They built that from business, politics, and defense. Blood, sweat, tears, and brains. The farmlands they have over there wouldn't even be possible if it weren't for brilliant Israeli agricultural scientists. Now they should give up their collective lives work?

[ihaam]

25. both Israel and the arabs deserve peace...

Why isn't Israel considering the release of thousands of Arab prisoners (including hundreds of children)? That would help containing the attacks against Israel.

In fact that was the starting point of the current crisis, not the capture of two Israeli soldiers by hizullah...

Despite the thousands of Israelis killed by terrorists, it seems like more innocent Arabs have been killed in comparison... All of it needs to stop.


And let's not bring the thousands of years of persecution as a justification for killing the innocent today..!!!

[Kagemusha]

10. That's obviously not what he meant... if that earlier post's accurate

It comes off as, "Israel said WE attacked Haifa, so whatever, as far as you're concerned, from this moment forward, we DID attack Haifa. It's on us. We're happy to accept responsibility. Yes, we said we didn't do it earlier, but Israel wants it to be us that did it, so from now on, it IS us that did it." Loud and proud, saying if you want us to have the credit, we'll happily take it and keep fighting you.

Note that I don't intend to argue that this is less mad.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Ah. So who bombed Haifa? I wonder? n/t

[danalytical]

14. Israel claims the missiles were Iranian made

but then again Fox news and the other corporate whores were parroting the Iran line for the last two days. So I'm not so sure I belive that yet. Been there done that, re: Iraq.

[Kagemusha]

16. I totally believe Israel about their being Iranian-made.

Hezbollah just isn't the only fish in the pond over there. And as the Hezbollah guy said, it doesn't really matter now anyway...

[americanstranger]

17. I didn't see any of it, but...

...sounds like something may have gotten lost in translation.

My guess is that the real meaning may have been closer to the concept of 'self-fulfilling prophecy,' maybe that Israel was speculating that Haifa may come under attack, so they obliged.

Understand that I'm not taking a side here, other than the side of 'I wish someone would have the guts to try and stop this.' I'm just saying that other languages don't travel well when being translated into English.

- as

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Thank you. n/t

[autorank]

20. This is a failure laid right at the front door of the White House

They came in saying Clinton spent just too much time with these folks over Israel. Let it cool down, ignore them a bit.

What fools lead us. In the Middle East success is not a product, it's a PROCESS. The WH didn't get that so it just diddled around and let things drift.

There is no use here fighting over who struck worst or who is the more aggressive. This situation rises to the level of violence it's capable of reaching at any given moment. With out an interested party willing to crack a few heads, i.e., the USA, and keep people moderately in line, the whole area goes to hell.

Thanks White House! You lack of leadership here is approaching the incompetence of the lack of intelligence and planning in Iraq.

Impeach Bush NOW! Lets all fight together for that, not among ourselves.

[DistressedAmerican]

22. Gee, Armed Themselves Against An Overwhelming Power. Shocking! Get Em!

Wouldn't it be stupid not to? Seriously?

Why would you try to chock that up as a justification for the invasion?

They are facing one of the most powerful militaries in the world with the backing of the most powerful and they should not arm themselves?

Huh? :wtf:

[danalytical]

23. Maybe they should stop blowing up busses and kidnapping people

Or maybe they need to recognize Israels right to exist like Egypt did 2 decades ago. They wouldn't need to arm themselves and would probably start to prosper with all the new peace they could have.

[Balbus]

24. But they're the evil and dangerous Jooooooooos!!!!

They've been kicked around and abused for 5000 years now.. You'd think they'd finally learn their place in this world.

[gatorboy]

27. Yeah shouldn't Israel just get over that "Everyone wants to kill us"

Thing? Lighten up, Israel, maybe the Middle East will play nice this time! :eyes:

[WinkyDink]

29. Everybody loves the Jews---as victims. But when they fight back, oh,

THEN "the Holy See", Europe, and the U.N.condemn Israel.

Has there EVER been a condemnation of Muslim and/or Arab attacks on Israel/Jews---or ANYWHERE ELSE, for that matter (like murdering Christians in Indonesia, political candidates in the Netherlands, tourists in Egypt, passengers on airplanes,...)?

[gatorboy]

32. I agree.

Yeah, Bush is tyrant. And yes the U.S. is using Israel as there own pesonal watchdog in the Middle East.

But how would anyone here feel if they lived in an area where every neighboring country wants you wiped off the planet?

[Rex]

30. You know what is really gonna suck - WWIII

I wonder if Iran/Syria secretly armed Hezbollah to the teeth with weapons and now they are trying to lure in Israel, knowing they have a surprise in store.

Very bad times. :(

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. That's EXACTLY what they did. This is going to be VERY ugly.

Hezbollah provoked this for a reason. If they weren't armed to the teeth they wouldn't have attacked Israel. This is going to be BAD, BAD, BAD. We shall all find out just how much fire power Hezbollah has.

[Jim Sagle]

33. This is why I miss Clinton SO much, sometimes.

I don't miss him at all when I think about how he facilitated the right's agenda and rolled over to their domestic power grab.

But his ME work was outstanding. It wasn't concluded, but things were on the right track.