The current Middle East conflict did not start with a "kidnapped" solider

[Opusnone]

It started four weeks ago after a family was killed on a beach.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5074792.stm

The propaganda surrounding this mess is 100% Grade A BULLSHIT, and our collective shotrt-term memory loss is embarrassing.

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[Opusnone]

3. The IDF reminds me of a schoolyard bully

"Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself!"

or a wife beater

"See what you've made me do to you?"

[deaniac21]

2. I was under the mistaken impression that the history went a little

further back...

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[Opusnone]

5. Does you screen name identify something about your nationality

or heritage?

Just wondering.

[Terran1212]

7. No it's actually something old from Starcraft

I used "terran" a long time ago for net nicknames and just kept it.

[Opusnone]

9. Thought you might be an Iranian infiltrator!

Heaven forbid.

The number 1212 has always been somewhat mystical to me.

[WinkyDink]

26. "mutilated and killed hundreds"? Your source?

[hack89]

28. So Hamas was not firing rockets in to Israel before then?

the "start" this goes so far back that that it is pointless to blame one side over the over. There have been so many opportunities to stop it that at this point both are equally to blame.

[malaise]

6. Thank you but remember

this was just a Palstinian family. That one little girl survived having witnessed that appears to have been missed by most. Good that the BBC now has to remind the world because all of MSM virtually ignored that slaughter.

[cali]

8. bullshit

All the major papers carried the tragic picture of the little girl standing in horror over the body of her father, above the fold with detailed story. The major network news organizations had it as there top story.

[Opusnone]

10. But strangely enough none have mentioned the killing lately

as the start of the current conflict. They name the "kidnapping" of an IDF soldier as an act of war. All of the US media, at least.

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[WinkyDink]

27. Beg to differ.

I meant to reply to the OP.

[malaise]

15. And what discussion did you hear about this

that equates to the discussion of a kidnapped Israeli soldier.

[cali]

20. I simply pointed out

that the poster made an erroneous claim. That's all. Facts do count, you know.

[malaise]

25. You responded to me

and I had simply stated that MSM virtually ignored the slaughter of the Palestinian family and the one child who survived. Did Wolf discuss it, Tweety, Nora, who discussed the slaughter of that family? Who challenged Israeli officials when they dismissed it like nothing happened. Do only their children count?

[tnlefty]

11. You are neither to remember this, nor speak of it, nor any other acts of

provocation done by the state of Israel ever. Not even killing a young American woman, Rachel Corrie, who was trying to prevent homes from being bulldozed. I don't seem to remember dimson** condeming this act either.

You are to focus solely on any and all violent acts done by a Palestinian, or Arab.

Continue to fork over tax dollars to continue to support one aggressive party to conflict over the other, no matter what.

Sorry for the sarcastic tone, but I am in quite a foul humor.

[Opusnone]

13. Apology accepted

How long before the three "kidnapped" soldiers are transported to Iran, North Korea and Syria?

It's all so clear.

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[Opusnone]

17. I sense a new RW meme coming...

If you commies don't love Israel why don't you just move to Venezuela?

Israel -your country right or wrong. Love it or leave it.

[nashville_brook]

30. love it!

"Israel -your country right or wrong."

so true. so few understand the history or the current players.

here's the basic idea: Israeli military leadership (does not equal) persecuted Jewry circa WW2. they aren't the same people. they wouldn't have the same politics.

likewise...

current American leadership (does not equal) Jeffersonian democracy, or even participatory democracy. we are not who we think we are, either.

[Robbien]

16. Don't apologize for the sarcastic tone

because it speaks for me also. Thanks.

[Igel]

18. It started before that.

Arbitrary starting points of this nature are far too blatantly self-serving to be taken seriously.

Had it started four weeks ago, the people that started digging the tunnel two months ago really should divulge their technology, or submit to parapsychological experiments. I'd like to know what the stock market will be doing in 4 weeks.

[Opusnone]

19. Have you seen the tunnel?

Or are you just going by talking points?

[cali]

21. Please

use a modicum of common sense. You don't build a tunnel that's 300 yards in a week.

[Igel]

32. Thank you. n/t

[Igel]

33. Going by the general consensus of the media,

as posited by Israel, and with nothing but pride--no denial--from the Palestinian side.

The technology involved for surreptitiously digging a tunnel of that length in less than 24 hours would be less impressive than that needed for peering into the future, but still would make some Palestians very, very wealthy.

But we're willing to believe that a nameless doctor and his brother, with no family to claim them in spite of the obvious PR points that would be raised by presenting their wives, mother, or offspring to the media, exist, were kidnapped and held incommunicado for two weeks on what amounts to hearsay, not rising to the status of a news report from the PA.

At some point the asymmetry in judgement ceases to be merely stunning. It has to rise to the level of rank hypocrisy and prejudice.

[Gregorian]

22. I would like to remove blame.

A more accurate summation is a story of two of Abraham's sons. That is, if we want to focus our attention on specifics. But my point is this-

As human beings, we must see life as always containing a fraction of evil. Pure evil. Not evil deeds that people do, but what people are doing as a result of being under the influence of this evil. This is not pessimism. It's being aware. If we use this as a context, then we see beyond individuals. And beyond individual times. This didn't start with anyone nor any time. This has always been the case.

What this does is, it defuses blame.


I've read this post and edited it at least a dozen times now. This is a hard thing to explain. I can only add to this that this context is where forgiveness comes from. If we aren't willing to forgive, then we are doomed to this cycle in perpetuity. I already hear the question being asked. And all I can say is you are right, it makes no sense. But there is no alternative. I doubt we'll learn as a race of beings to practice this. But I'm hoping.

[FtWayneBlue]

23. Jacob and Esau. n/t

[KittyWampus]

24. Thanks for info, this is important

[WinkyDink]

29. This PRO-PALESTINIAN website disagrees, and says YES, IT DID!!

Gaza offensive:Timeline
Publication time: 7 July 2006, 20:35

The current crisis between Israel and the Palestinians was triggered by the June 25 seizure of an Israeli soldier by Gaza armed groups.

Following are Key events in the crisis:

Sunday, June 25: Palestinian armed groups launch an attack on an army post on the Israel-Gaza border. They kill two soldiers and capture a third.

Israel starts to mass forces around Gaza, from whiere it had withdrawn in September 2005.


SOURCE: http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2006/07/07/4922.shtml

[Poll_Blind]

31. Learn more about Rachel Corrie (mentioned in this thread)

She was killed protesting another house from demolition in Palestine where families live in fear:

Interview with Rachel Corrie before she was killed

Excerpt from documentary "The Killing Zone" showing what the IDF has done to the people of Palestine, in the area that Rachel tried to protect.

  See with your own two eyes.

PB

[Zhade]

34. Hey look, TRUTH.

The Israel-firsters will ignore the facts, of course.