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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 01:57 PM
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What is the Democratic Leadership Saying About Israel?
I've not heard a word from the Democrats. Anyone got any links to any statments they may have made about how to address the current crises?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 01:59 PM
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1. ummmm
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:03 PM
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6. We really need a cricket smiley.
;-)
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 05:53 PM
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25. Crappy chirp smiley:


You don't really see the crickets, you just hear the chirps.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 01:59 PM
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2. Thursday's Larry King Live
Boxer was allowed to speak sans interruption and have the last word. Look for the transcript/

FYI, this is serious enough that CNN is actually having news
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:01 PM
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3. I doubt they will try to intervene right now with advice.
Like it or not, the blivet has to steer the ship during this crisis. God help us.
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:02 PM
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5. This is a chance to lead, and we're getting silence?
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:10 PM
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12. What would you suggest?
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:57 PM
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14. See Rucky's post below. I think he's right.
The other thing is, the views of Clinton and Lieberman, which mirror the administration's views, seems to mean that the United States is gonna sit by the sidelines and watch this thing morph into something that could get completely out of control. That is not leadership. How long is it before Israel attacks Syria or Iran? Is this something we want to see?
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:14 PM
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19. I agree with rucky too- we need to be prepared with a response
and a plan when asked. The word "lead" can be taken two ways- one is to DO something
(which is almost impossible when you don't have the power as in the CIC) or to SAY something
(which may or may not have an impact). My anxiety about the ME is growing to near panic as I watch this violence escalate and I don't want more attacks by either side. My opinion is that the blivet should support a cease-fire and and foster negotiation. So as I said above, God help us, because I don't think he is capable.

In regard to Dem leaders speaking out, we have several leaders who have done this until they are blue in the face about Iraq- and I am feeling bitter because it doesn't seem to improve anything and our troops are sitting ducks over there.

btw, I am not criticizing your post. I think it was a good question.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:01 PM
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4. My guess is that they aren't going to touch this one with a 10' pole.
They have nothing to gain by offering any criticism.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:04 PM
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7. Looked at
Kerry's, Kennedy's, Reid's and Durbin's sites - nada so far. Clicked on Hillary Clinton's and the following is her position:

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=258632&&

Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Condemning the Attacks on Israel

"The unprovoked attacks on innocent Israelis and the killing and abduction of Israeli soldiers by the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah are dramatic escalations of violence against Israel. The United States must stand by Israel as she defends herself. No government can stand idly by when its citizens and soldiers are attacked and abducted and when terrorist groups make incursions into its territory. These events demonstrate that Hamas’s ascent to power in the Palestinian Authority, and Hezbollah’s participation in the Lebanese government, are dangerous for the stability, not only of Israel, but of the entire region. Hamas and Hezbollah must return the Israeli soldiers they abducted and cease their attacks against Israel.

Israel’s right to exist, and exist in safety, must never be put in question We must also continue to send a very clear message to Syria, Iran and others to join in condemning these attacks and to exercise their influence over Hamas and Hezbollah."


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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:06 PM
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8. Looks Like Hillary Has Joined the "Asses Of Evil".....nt
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fjc Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:06 PM
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9. Thank you. Good to know,
though the Senator from NY could be expected to make a statement like that.
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brmdp3123 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:08 PM
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11. Almost makes me like her.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:00 PM
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16. double ick. n/t
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 08:37 PM
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31. She's moved up a few notches in my book.
Good for her!
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:08 PM
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10. Surprise, DINO Lieberman defends Israel's actions.
"Israel has a right to defend itself, so they have a traditional policy which is similar to ours," he said. "We're not going to sit back when our people or soldiers are taken as hostages. We're going to try to get them back."

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/state/hc-14195305.apds.m0966.bc-ct--senajul14,0,5470486.story?coll=hc-headlines-local-wire
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:00 PM
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15. Surprise...He is not the ONLY one!
Entire Party Rallies: Additional Support for Israel
As we've noted below, at a time when Israel again finds itself under attack from forces outside of its borders, Democrats and the National Jewish Democratic Council are standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Israel in support of its right to defend its borders and people from terrorist and militant attacks.

Additional statements that we have compiled come from key Democrats such as Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois:

We will stand with the government and people of Israel as they defend themselves and we join the world in condemning these newest acts of terror that threaten to destabilize the region.

The attacks on Israeli soil and the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers, first by Hamas and now by Hizballah, constitute acts of terror that no state could tolerate. These terrorist organizations must release the captured Israeli soldiers immediately and unconditionally.

I echo the President’s demand that all parties in the region fulfill their obligations under U.N. Security Council resolutions 1559 and 1680, and cease all support for Hizballah. I urge the President and Secretary of State to work with countries in the region to help forge a solution to the escalating tension and increasing scope of the crisis.

Other powerful statements come from key leaders such as Bill Nelson (FL), who serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Alcee Hastings (FL), a co-chair of the Democratic Israel Working Group, and Jerry Nadler (NY), one of the pro-Israel stalwarts in Congress.


Nelson's statement is powerfully descriptive of what's going on now:

Mr. President, I rise today to condemn Hamas’s and Hizballah’s unprovoked acts of war against Israel and to express strong support for Israel’s right to defend itself.

On July 12, Hizballah attacked an Israeli military unit patrolling the Israeli border south of Lebanon, and two Israeli soldiers were taken hostage. Hizballah’s leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, has admitted that this was a calculated act, which Hizballah had planned for five months. Analysts agree that this act is a sign of support for the Hamas kidnapping of another Israeli soldier on June 25. It is also a sign that two of the regions most recalcitrant terrorist organizations have no interest in the peace and security of the people they supposedly now represent in elected governments in Lebanon and the Palestinian Territories.

Both of these attacks were clear acts of war – attacks on Israeli soldiers guarding undisputed Israeli territory. The Hizballah attack was also a blatant breach of Security Council resolutions 1559, 1655, and 1680, which certified Israel’s full withdrawal from Lebanese territory, called for the disarmament of all militias in Lebanon, and called for an end to attacks across the Israel-Lebanon border.

Despite these resolutions, Hizballah remains an armed militia group with unrestrained activity in Lebanon and has not been pressured by the Lebanese government to disarm. In fact, Hizballah is a part of the Lebanese government now with twenty-three seats in the Lebanese parliament and two ministers in the government. According to the Department of State, Hizballah receives $30-40 million a month in cash, aid and arms support from Iran. Additionally, Syria is still a strong partner with Iran in supporting, sheltering and funding Hizballah to the detriment of the people of Lebanon

Mr. President, I believe it is critical that the U.S. Senate recognize Israel’s right to defend itself, and call on the government of Lebanon to immediately and unconditionally release the abducted Israeli soldiers. The same holds true for the soldier held by Hamas in Gaza. At the same time, we must insist that Iran and Syria immediately cease interfering in the internal affairs of Lebanon and the Palestinian Territories by ending all support for Hizballah and Hamas.

I will shortly be introducing legislation to increase pressure on the government of Lebanon to do the right thing and disarm Hizballah. The Lebanese people surely deserve better than to have their fate determined by this terrorist organization. But for now, Israel deserves our unwavering support as it aims to protect its people from these unprovoked attacks.

Hastings' July 12th statement on the floor was evocative:

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to condemn yesterday’s brutal attack by a terrorist group on Israel, which took the lives of eight Israeli Defense Forces soldiers and captured two others, on the Israel-Lebanon border.

The actions of the terrorist organization, Hezbollah, against Israel are unconsciousable. Instead of working towards peace, Hezbollah has chosen to perpetuate the violence. Terrorist attacks such as these are cowardly actions that resolve nothing. From the South, Israel has been attacked by the terrorist organization Hamas with Kassam rockets and had one of her soldiers kidnapped. Hezbollah’s current terrorist assault from the North does not further any legitimate peace process. The timing of these aggressions only serves to enhance the existing tensions in the region.

Israel has complied with the UN charter and has completely withdrawn from Lebanon since May 2000. Now it is time for the Lebanese government to abide by the UN’s rules. In refusing to disarm Hezbollah as required by U.N. Resolution 1559, the Lebanese government is choosing to openly ignore the decree of the international body.

I call upon Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora to accept responsibility and take immediate action against the terrorist group which Lebanon harbors.

Let us not be misled into believing these attacks arise from a single source. The terrorist organizations, Hezbollah and Hamas, are unquestionably sponsored and guided by the Iranian and Syrian governments. The United States Congress must not allow the Iranian government to use bloodshed as a deflecting tactic against U.S. attention from their unrestricted nuclear program. The Syrian and Iranian governments should be condemned along with the terrorist groups they harbor.

In response to these brutal attacks by terrorists, Israel must have the right to defend herself. Like the United States and other sovereign nations, Israel is justified in reestablishing its deterrent posture.

I express my condolences to the families of the attacked soldiers, and offer a prayer for the safe return of the two kidnapped soldiers from the Lebanon border and the soldier kidnapped in Gaza. I pray for the ultimate end of the cycle of violence in the Middle East.

Nadler's strong statement follows:

Congressman Jerrold Nadler released the following statement today in support of Israel’s ongoing efforts to protect her citizens and soldiers from terrorist violence:

“Hezbollah’s cold-blooded, unprovoked attacks are a vivid illustration of the ongoing danger that Israel faces from the terrorist regimes that surround it. Like any other country, Israel has the right and the obligation to defend her citizens from attack no matter what the circumstance.

In this case, Israel has fallen victim to violent, premeditated attacks launched for political gain. At a press conference in Beirut yesterday, Hezbollah’s leader bragged that the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers had been in the works for five months, and was intended to force Israel’s hand in releasing convicted and suspected terrorists from prison.

Israel will not bow to brutality, nor should she be expected to do so. Her only option is to move swiftly and judiciously to neutralize the terrorist elements carrying out these attacks.

While the clash we are seeing today is the work of Hezbollah extremists, it is also the product of years of inaction by the Lebanese government. Israeli forces pulled out of southern Lebanon eight years ago on the condition that Lebanon would prevent the borderland from being used to stage attacks against Israel. The failure of that promise is self-evident. The United Nations has passed a resolution calling for Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah. Lebanon has not acted. More action by Israel will most certainly be a consequence if Lebanon does not immediately become a partner in the effort to combat terrorism.

Israel continues to show admirable restraint in dealing with her hostile neighbors, even in the face of increasing rocket attacks, kidnappings, and threats to her people. I support her actions in defense of her people, and I pray for a swift and just conclusion to the fighting.”

http://njdc.typepad.com/njdcs_blog/2006/07/entire_party_ra.html

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:29 AM
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34. So one sided
it makes me feel ill.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 02:13 PM
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13. If they're smart, they'll come up with a plan.
It's only a matter of time before someone asks what the Democrats would do in this situation.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:00 PM
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17. Platitudes and drivel prevail.
They daren't criticize Israel. It's the proverbial "3rd Rail" of politics.

Our "liberals" stand for peace only when safe and convenient.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:02 PM
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18. On foreign policy, Democratic leaders are the same as Repubs.
The only difference is when it comes to exploiting the third world poor and waging wars against them, they do it through the veil of internationalism. Bush does it through unilateralism.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:18 PM
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20. One thing is for sure- the last time we had a Democrat in the WH
he made attempting to get real, lasting peace in the region a #1 priority.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:23 PM
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21. You will find that there are many neocons among the Dems. It's time
to separate the wheat from the chaff. At this point, I don't care what their previous record has been, if they are an unapologetic blind supporter of Israel they will not get my vote. Too much about our daily lives is and has been affected by our unbalaned and unjust ME foreign policy.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 03:54 PM
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22. Q&A: Biden on Israeli actions: 'Totally justifiable'
Question: Do you view the Israeli invasions and air strikes as being proportionate to the kidnappings and killings of Israeli soldiers?

A: It is totally justifiable and tactically understandable. What would we do if we were bombarded from Mexico and Canada?


http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/15043460.htm?source=rss&channel=inquirer_nation
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 07:20 PM
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26. Hopefully that will be the nail on the head for that SOB.
He makes George Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar.

Other than being a bought and paid for whore of the Defense Industries and the war mongers, he's just a great guy with veneers.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 05:32 PM
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23. Hard to imagine the Opposition Party opposing the Bush Administration
on this one. I would guess the Biden response quoted above will prove to be the dominant response.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:23 AM
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33. Any updates or are they keeping their powder dry again?
nt
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 05:38 PM
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24. Here is Kucinich's statement
July 6, 2006

Congressman Kucinich issued the following statement this week on the current situation in the Middle East:

"The lack of proportionality of Israel's response to the kidnapping of the soldier compounds a human rights disaster which has been building in the Palestinian territories and could set the stage for reigniting a cycle of extreme violence.

"The world community, led by the United States and Israel, must see the humanitarian imperative of relieving the suffering of innocent people in Palestine who are without the most basic of human necessities such as food, water, electricity, health care, housing, and economic security, in part because they exercised their right to self determination.

"The Hamas government needs to ensure the safe return of Cpl. Shalit and renounce its previous statements calling for the destruction of Israel, and end attacks against innocent Israeli civilians.

"Likewise, the Israeli government needs to halt its incursion into Gaza, withdraw its troops, facilitate payments to Palestinian civil servants, and renew its commitment to a viable two state solution which will ensure the survival of both the Palestinian and Israeli people. Such a commitment can only come about from a common recognition of common humanity.

"The governments of Israel and Palestine should exercise caution and compassion in the name of joint security and peace in the region. Peace will not prevail unless both sides are willing to call a cease fire, stop provocations and make concessions for their joint security, ensuring peace through building enduring structures for social and economic justice.

"The United States, which has played a role in building tensions, can ameliorate them by pursuing peaceful diplomatic initiatives to end the cycle of violence. The world community is best served by helping warring factions step back from the brink of war and begin a new effort to achieve a lasting peace. The United States has the moral obligation to lead this effort."



Off his website http://kucinich.us/



Dennis consistently calls for BOTH sides to halt the bloodshed. He refuses to fall into the "only blame one side" trap. Far too many politicans take the easy way out. Dennis is not among them.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 07:25 PM
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27. The United States should move Israel to Texas. Problem solved!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 07:28 PM
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29. Count one reason, enlightened response so far.
Does the nation want to hear reality, or do they want to hear overly emotional grandstanding for one side or the other?

What ultimate cost will the planet pay for human hubris?
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 08:36 PM
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30. I hope that cooler heads like this will prevail...
...rather than those who demand that Israel's policy be "Faster Pussycat Kill Kill Kill."
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 08:47 PM
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32. The first rational statement I've heard! n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 07:28 PM
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28. They're waitng for orders from their corporate masters?
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