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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:02 AM
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Poll question: How many people believe this TWA flight 800 stuff
CNN has run this stuff twice today.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:03 AM
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1. The NTSB is one of the few federal agencies that does a thorough job. n/t
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:10 AM
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2. The reason I voted yes is because...
I was in Canada at the time it happened, about 60 miles north, we were watching some global news channel that Canada broadcasts for free. The program said at the time it was thought that a missle shot down the plane. It wasn't until we went back to the US the next day, no mention of the missile strike was made. I tend to believe the Canadian version.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:25 AM
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7. I was in the U.S. when it happened, witnesses were interviewed on tv
they saw a missile.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:12 AM
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3. You know, before today this never came up. This is some idiotic freeper
deal. It is meritless and unsound, like every single thing that comes out of that maw.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:06 AM
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9. THANK you.
Truer words and all that.
"Run, scurry, flee!! flee!!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:14 AM
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4. I don't know.
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 01:16 AM by cat_girl25
But that one father they interviewed will always believe it was taken down by our missle and it was covered up.

edited to add: I also remember freepers at the time were wanting that coverup to be true so they could blame Clinton for some reason.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:21 AM
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5. the ten year anniversary is tomorrow
that's what is bringing it back to attention
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:23 AM
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6. I trust the NTSB.
They have a horrendous job, which I think they do well.

:hi:
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:06 AM
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14. I saw a NTSB guy re-investigating the Hindenburg on NGC.
Other than his reconstruction of the "skin"... I think his explanation was the
best and most believable I've seen.

:thumbsup:
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 02:46 AM
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8. I think it's just comforting to believe it was on purpose...
It's less disconcerting and heart-wrenching to believe that a person/government specifically targeted that one plane and only that one plane, rather than to accept the freak accident explanation. The former allows you to believe that it was a one-shot deal: the killer(s) had a target, and there won't be any repeat; but the latter leaves open the possibility that the next plane you get on may have some similarly freakish malfunction that causes it to disintegrate in mid-air.

It's also more comforting to believe that it required a huge missile to destroy a jumbo jet than that the gas tank just wasn't filled enough, allowing fumes to accumulate (I think that was the explanation).
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 03:33 AM
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10. During the 15 years I spent insuring...
ships, including tankers, I was involved in many explosions. Large tankers have a process called "gas freeing" which handles the fumes from empty tanks, but they still explode. Coastal gasoline tankers and barges are extemely dangerous, and one even exploded under the Brooklyn Bridge back in the '80s Even small boats blow up from gasoline or propane fumes down in the bilges.

What does a ship or boat have to do with an airplane? Simply that the conditions for the tanks blowing are the same. Fuel tanks themselves are rarely the problem, unless they leak, because there is rarely an ignition source. The pumps in the tanks normally have the electrical connections outside of the tank-- except in a 747.

I don't buy the eyewitness accounts for the simple reason that eyewitness accounts are the most unreliable evidence available. Even if someone actually did see a "missile" heading toward the plane, there was a meteor shower that night, and any stargazer knows about the optical illusion of a meteor coming in from the horizon going "up."





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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:00 AM
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12. I agree with you about eyewitnesses. I'll believe ANY OTHER evidence
over an eyewitness account.

Time and time again they are proven to be amazingly unreliable.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 07:04 AM
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13. It could happen to YOU!
Cue the "Exorcist"-sounding music again.

:eyes:


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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 08:55 PM
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15. FIRO press release
Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO) was formed in 1999 by a group of citizens concerned with the course of the official investigation into the crash of TWA Flight 800. During the investigation, the FBI unlawfully denied the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) access to forensic results and eyewitness interview documents. FIRO has submitted a petition to the NTSB that requests the reconsideration of their final report, which blames the crash on an electrical spark inside a fuel tank.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

July 17, 2006

CNN Presents TWA Flight 800 Misinformation

The recent CNN Presents show 'No Survivors' presented controversial government information on the crash of TWA Flight 800 with inadequate fact checking.

The piece showed an animation of Flight 800 climbing sharply after exploding, in direct conflict with radar data from the crash. Multiple radar sites refute the climb and indicate that the jetliner immediately descended after exploding.

Such a climb was first used in a CIA-produced animation to explain witnesses accounts describing a missile rising off the ocean and colliding with Flight 800. The climbing aircraft “may have looked like a missile attacking an aircraft,” according to the CIA.

In 1999, Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization released their analysis of the radar evidence. “We simply took the government's own radar and time positions of Flight 800 and calculated the plane's speed,” said FIRO Chairman Tom Stalcup. “The speed increased, which can't happen while climbing sharply.”

According to the law of conservation of energy, Flight 800 had to reduce its speed if it climbed sharply. And all government simulations show such a slow-down, directly conflicting with the radar record. CNN's animation, which also shows a significant post-explosion climb, contradicts the evidence and is bad journalism.

The government's scenario requires Flight 800 climbing sharply in order to explain witness accounts of a rising streak of light seen before the crash. But since Flight 800 did not climb, as evidenced by the radar record, the missile theory is the only remaining theory that is viable.

The CNN show did discuss the missile theory, but said there was no physical evidence of missile impact. This was misleading and inaccurate. In fact, CNN only discussed damage consistent with a small, shoulder-fired missile. But two days after the crash, CNN quoted a top Pentagon official saying that these missiles couldn't reach Flight 800.

See: http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/19/twa/index.html

Since smaller missiles couldn't likely reach Flight 800, the CNN Presents producers should not have been surprised there was no evidence of their impact. But in actuality, there was both physical and radar evidence consistent with a proximity explosion of a much larger missile. This evidence was not addressed in the 'No Survivors' show.

Contact: Tom Stalcup, FIRO Chairman, 774-392-0856,

http://flight800.org/cnn_presents2.html
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 04:25 PM
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16. NTSB Witness Group Contradicts CIA Video

NTSB Witness Group Contradicts CIA Video

Just three weeks after the FBI released the CIA video, the NTSB was scheduled to release its own analysis of the eyewitness evidence at a weeklong public hearing in Baltimore, Maryland. The NTSB had compiled a statistical analysis of the eyewitness evidence in the Witness Group Factual Report: Exhibit 4A, which included the following findings:

"102 gave information about the origin of the streak. Six said the streak originated from the air, and 96 said that it originated from the surface."

Discussion at the Baltimore hearings would have undoubtedly focused on the overwhelming percentage (94%) of witnesses who said the streak rose from the surface. The compelling statistics regarding the streak's origin could have undermined the CIA animation and directed public attention toward the missile theory.

For those paying attention to the investigation, the witness portion of the hearing was highly anticipated. And it was coming, save an eyewitness ban from the NTSB Chairman.

Days before the hearing began and in response to a letter from then FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom, NTSB Chairman Jim Hall banned all eyewitness presentations from the hearing. Kallstrom's letter contained objections to public eyewitness discussions, in part, because of the possibility "of undermining the CIA’s work." Ultimately, no eyewitness testified and no discussion of eyewitness evidence or the CIA animation was allowed at the hearing. (Kallstrom's letter to Chairman Hall is reproduced in this FIRO article).

http://flight800.org/eye.html








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