See how easy they make it look! Leading us into a "just war"

[rainy]

It's all planned out. Everyone knows that Israel has been crossing the boarder to take hostages and prisoners. Just recently a doctor and his family. But, let the other side do the same to have leverage to demand the return of their citizens then Israel uses it as pretext for an already planned attack on Lebanon and the rest. Sounds familiar. This is our entry into attacking Syria and Iran. We have already said Israel has a right. The next step is for Syria and Iran to be blamed for something and then we "have no choice" but to aid our alli. See how easy it is to start a war and make it seem so just and pure?

This is why Bush is not saying much. Just waiting for the moment to be right to go to the aid of their alli.

[madokie]

1. no doubt in my mind there is a lot more to this than meets the eye

to many coinkiedinks. The loudest roar I hear is the silence from the whitehouse

[acmejack]

7. You've been there-is there such a thing?

A just war that is?

[Hugin]

16. In retrospect there have been a couple...

But, they've always related to "self-defense" or the true liberation of
an oppressed people.

Just look at the Right Wing spin on the Iraq War for other reasons. (Not
that they have any applicability in this case other than they are trying
to make a "just war" out of it.)

[madokie]

17. not in my experiences would there be such a thing as a just war

to me war is an admission of failure, that the parties involved aren't up to the task given to them.

[Hugin]

19. "war is an admission of failure"

Excellent point!

How true... How true...

[Hugin]

14. Yep, the silence is deafening.

It can only mean two things...

1) Things are going according to some plan.

or

2) They really *are* clueless on Foreign Policy and world events.

[madokie]

18. Yes, one of two things and they both suck

[Jeanette in FL]

2. You are so right

This song captures your mood and thoughts, even though this song was in response to the Latin American crisis, it is timeless:

LIVES IN THE BALANCE

I've been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you've seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

And there's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the T.V.
You hear one thing again and again
How the U.S.A. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends--
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

There's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can't even say the names

They sell us the President the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

(c) 1986 SWALLOW TURN MUSIC, ASCAP

[rainy]

3. Great song thanks for posting it.

[leftchick]

4. are our carrier groups in place?

I am sure they will be soon if they are not already.

[rainy]

6. They are in place and some big tanks are being moved out

to the area. I have a friend in the army who told me that these tank movements are telling.

[originalpckelly]

5. Things are not as simple as you might like them to be...

Syria really is a nation full of bad guys, just like Iraq had Saddam. In fact the same party rules in Syria as in Iraq. Unfortunately, invading Syria will probably have the same consequences as Israel attacking Hezbollah or our nation invading Iraq. Some people in the nation will like it, but their lives will be in immense danger because of internal violence caused by the supporters of the former regime.

We need to come up with a way to do this without invading Syria.

*The only reason my mind was changed is a blog by a person in th "Progressive Socialist Party" of Lebanon. These people are on our side of the political spectrum, and they have to suffer greatly in Lebanon. The Hezbollah is a real terrorist group, and those poor progressives were assassinated and beaten by Hezbollah. (Think of them like extreme far-right Christians in our nation, now you can understand why the Progressive party hates them.)

[rainy]

8. When did Syria ever threaten the US?

Just like I don't remember Saddam threaten us either. They are not our enemies. We create enemies to keep the war machine moving and to cover for Corporate stealing of natural resources.

[rainy]

12. Syria full of bad guys. Bad guys to who? Who are their enemies and why?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. the reason Bush isn't talking is because his mouth is full of pork.

and his belly is full of beer.
Now, watch this drive.

[rainy]

10. Too funny, but in a sad kinda way.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Erect bogeyman, wave flag, send in the troops.

Never fails.

[rainy]

13. EXACTLY!

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. What's an alli?

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

20. Imagine if a large terror attack in the US were blamed on Hezbollah....

There were many after 9/11 who wanted us to go after Hezbollah...

On September 20, 2001, in a historic speech to a joint session of Congress, President George W. Bush famously declared, "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped, and defeated." Few terrorist organizations meet this standard, but Hezbollah is definitely one of them. The Lebanon-based group has cells on every continent, and its highly skilled operatives have committed horrifying attacks as far away as Argentina. Before September 11, 2001, it was responsible for more American deaths than any other terrorist organization. Hassan Nasrallah, the group's secretary-general, recently proclaimed, "Death to America was, is, and will stay our slogan." Since the outbreak of the second Palestinian intifada in September 2000, Hezbollah has armed and trained Palestinian terrorists, further fraying the already tattered peace process. Hezbollah operatives have reportedly traveled to postwar Iraq to rekindle historic ties with Iraqi Shi'ites.

It is hardly surprising, therefore, that many in the United States have argued that Hezbollah should be the next target in the war on terror. Shortly after September 11, a group of leading scholars, pundits, and former government officials, including William Kristol and Richard Perle, declared in an open letter to President Bush that "any war on terrorism must target Hezbollah" and urged that military action be considered against the movement's state sponsors, Syria and Iran. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage has warned of Hezbollah's lethality, noting that "Hezbollah may be the A team of terrorists," while "al Qaeda is actually the B team."

....

To have any chance of success, a U.S. military operation would have to involve a sustained counterinsurgency campaign -- something that Israel tried for 20 years, only to find that its efforts strengthened Hezbollah's resolve and increased its local and regional appeal. In response to a U.S. attack, Hezbollah might activate its cells in Asia, Europe, and Latin America -- and possibly in the United States itself. The United States, furthermore, is today in a far worse position militarily and diplomatically than it was before the war in Iraq. Occupying Iraq is tough enough; a fight in the Bekaa Valley, a Hezbollah stronghold in Lebanon, would only make things worse.

....

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20031101faessay82606/daniel-byman/should-hezbollah-be-next.html?mode=print

CNN is now running a documentary that cites claims that Hezbollah shot down TWA 800. I smell something in the air...

[rainy]

22. Why does Hezbollah say death to America?

What is their grievance against us? Maybe our meddling in the Middle East. Hummmm maybe the killing of arabs. Maybe the occupying of arab land. Maybe the aid of a huge occupier. They don't yell death to Switzerland, now do they. Our policies need to be looked at. There are two sides to every story and ours is corrupt corporatism.

[soothsayer]

21. If the US is attacked by al qaeda and can then invade Iraq, then

Israel can feel attacked by Lebanon, and thus attack Iran. Apparently we've proven the bait and switch principle is sound.