Daniel Ayalon Israel Ambassador to US said amazing things

[donsu]

on c-span's Wash. Journal this a.m.

he said Syria and Iran are known to fight to the death so Israel is attacking their agents in Lebanon which has a small military that doesn't worry Israel at all.

and Israel is not out to kill Lebanon people but if they don't get out of the way - oh well. after all they put down leaflets telling them to move away so it's their fault if they get killed.

the UN is not fair to Israel

lobbies are a part of the american govt. system and the Israeli lobby is the same as any other american lobby.

when a caller asked why they were destroying bridges, roads and the airport if they were only going after hizbollah, the ambassador simply ignored the question and talked of other things.

he kept talking about how many Israels were being killed and how their lives are being disrupted as if only Israeli lives were important.

and he said it was Syria and Iran's fault - Iran Iran Iran Iran Iran scare scare scare scare

he left a bad smell in the air

[stray cat]

1. Roads and airport were being disrupted:

to keep them from bring the captured soldiers to Syria or Iran and to keep Hezballah from being resupplied miliatarily by Iran and Syria - Israel reported that a couple of days ago.

[BillZBubb]

4. And you believed those lies?

Anything the Israeli's say is a lie until they are confronted with the facts, then they weasel.

For instance, they first denied their ship was damaged. Then they claimed it was only minor damage. Then it was seriously damaged AND IRAN WAS TO BLAME. Lie, lie, BIG LIE.

Why did the Israeli's bomb power facilities?

[partylessinOhio]

2. You are very astute.

"only Israeli lives were important"

It has been and always will be that way.

The world has turned it's back on the victims of Israeli aggression. It is shameful.

BushCo does not want a ceasefire. They want an all out war.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. You know what, let the Israelis apply Samson

is that what the world truly wants?

On the bright side it will solve our global warming problem for a little while

In reality ALL LIVES ARE IMPORTANT, but when Jews die in Israel, women and children, neer a tear of it, when innocents die in Lebanon, oh my how horrible the Israelis are so bad

here is the big fucking news flash to you... this is war, people die.

This is the second big fucking news flash for you... in every war INNOCENTS ON ALL SIDES die

And here is the big fucking third news flash for you... EVERYBODY and I mean EVERYBODY in the ME is right and wrong and UNTIL EVERYBODY STOPS ENABLING EACH SIDE AND TAKING SIDES IT WILL NOT STOP. IT WILL ONLY STOP WHEN ONE OF SEVERAL THINGS HAPPEN

1.- Israel is destroyed and all the Jews are killed, read Samson, those nukes will fly so fast that there will be nothing left to fight for, except some radioactive land. This is by the way the stated goal of Hezbollah, to destroy Israel and kill every Jew in the middle east. But they are the innocent ones, I realize this. After all they are just the victims here, they are just as much victims as everybody else involved in this mess... which means not much.

2.- all parties decide they had enough of this and finally go to the negotiating table, fat chance of that occurring as long as external forces, (and yes Syria and Iran have their hands in this just as the ruskies had theirs in the 1960s and 1970s, and there are good and valid reasons for their governments to continue to push this... very good and valid reasons that incidentally have neery a blip to do with Israel, they just happen to be the convenient excuse.) stop medaling in, and basically go, children, time to come to the table and talk like adults

3.- ALL SIDES recognize the horrors they have done to each other and decide they have had enough.

[liberaliraqvet26]

19. Your kidding right....

we hear enough about Israeli civilians. The amount of Palestinians/Arabs is always at least 10X the amount.

How many times do we have to hear about the kidnapped soldiers (and they are combatants)

[donsu]

21. what do you mean "solve our global warming problem for a while"

I'm puzzled, don't know what you mean

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Becasue it would cut off a large part of the world's oil supply?

Less oil, less carbon dioxide, fewer jobs, less consumption, even less carbon dioxide, even fewer jobs, even less consumption, even fewer jobs, etc.

[donsu]

27. true, but I'm watching all that toxic smoke coming up into the air from

the bombing and fires

same with the bombing and burning oil in Iraq

and I see the global warming snowball crashing down the mountain faster and faster

[malaise]

18. Not the entire world

Sane people are very, very angry.

[stepnw1f]

3. In My Eyes, the Aggressors Want an All-Out War

"Civilian Casualties", "Oh, Well"?!

Israel doesn't appear to want peace without a heavy price.... stupid is stupid. I'd say Israel is having the same problem the US is having. Their government is being run by nut cases.

[BillZBubb]

5. Yep, they want to goad Busholini into a war with Iran.

If they can get the US to take out Syria and Iran, Israel then is the lone "superpower" in the Mid-East. They helped sucker us into Iraq, now they want to us to finish their grand plan.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. What grand plan are you talking about

Oh I forogt the israelis control the US Government, damn why can't I get my damn government job!

[BillZBubb]

17. Don't be disingenuous.

Israel has a grand plan for their region. The Likudniks are like the PNAC. If you don't know that, you are naive or a fool.

They've wanted Syria out of Lebanon, Syria taken out, Iraq taken out, and Iran taken out. So far, they've succeeded in getting two of those objectives. They have used their influence in the US to help acheive them. They don't "control" the US government--that's a bullshit red-herring--but they have a lot of influence. They also know how to get fools like Bush to do what they want by telling him what he wants to hear.

[Zynx]

14. Grand Plan?

There we go again.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Nice of them to drop some flyers

and then turn around and bomb the roads, bridges and airports so no one can leave the country.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. If Hezbollah stopped using stragetic targets

to transport weapons and fighters they would not be targets. What those fliers said is get out of known hezbollah controlled areas... but I am sure you knew this

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. There's always an excuse

Well I guess you all are about to get what you want anyway. Be careful what you wish for.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. No I am not going to get what I want

For what I want is for the madness to stop, this means, stop taking sides

This means recognizing that this current cycle of violence did not start with Israel bombing this targets, but started actually when Israel pulled out of Southern Lebanon and Hexbollah continued to use Missiles to bomb civilians in northern Israel, but I guess that is ok for the world.

BOTH SIDES are guilty and NOBODY has clean hands here.

What I want is peace and that I won't get, I want peace that respects all concerned, that I won;t get.

But have a nice day.


By the way, those excuses as you call them, are clearly stated in Geneva as well. I will tell you some more. If you shoot at me from a house I can fire back. Hell if You shoot at me from a hospital, I can drop that facility to the ground, This is coming from somebody who was quite legally shot at in a clearly marked ambulance (yes with a red cross you silly) because my Cadets were stupid enough to load AN ARMED COMBATANT into the back. I hope this makes it clear for you, been there, done that, and I can dance with the Geneva Convention

That said, want the Lebanese government supposed to disarm Hizbollah? Oh silly me they were, they were also unable to do it, for very good reasons, but they were... but they are innocent victims here as well.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Then try a dose of your own advise

because obviously you have already picked a side.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. No I have not

I have repeatedly stated that BOTH are wrong and that BOTH have blood in their hands. I am not screaming for victims, just pointing out that dead is dead, whether it is southern lebanon or Haifa, and the families of the dead will miss them just as much

So how is it saying that both sides are guilty taking sides>? Or for that matter pointing out military facts... a strategic target is a strategic target, whether it is bombed by an F-16 from the IAF, or a Heinkel back in 1941, or a B-29 in WW II, or a B-52 in Iraq, a bridge is a strategic target. Theoretically they are protected, right until you use it to transport fig-hers

Just like when you transport combatants in ambulance, guess what, they are free and clear to fire on them. That goes for any war, any time, any military in the field. You want the IDF not to use artillery fire on a house in Southern Lebanon, why don't you ask why Hizbollah, violating the Laws of Land Warfare, uses that same house to launch Katyushas which by the way are not cuddly, and are not meant to be toys, but they are meant to kill.

So until you see that both sides are wrong, and both sides have blood in their hands, it will not stop... well that is until Hisbollah and others realize their dream of throwing the jews to the sea (Saomson) or everybody who enables the conflict, ranging from yes the Syrians for internals reasons, to the US, pull back and force the children to the table.

[acmejack]

15. The only sensible course of action

is to evacuate all noncombatants and allow the haters to eliminate each other, for they will not rest until they have done so. Perhaps all the cheerleaders here can go join them in the middle east and participate also. There are so many who seem to want to leap right in.

[partylessinOhio]

30. Yes, direct the people to the roads then BOMB them:WARNING GRAPHIC!

Israel doesn't pursue civilians? There are no buildings in sight in these photos, they were targeting a car seeking safety, a car that carried children.

[zapp]

16. Huh. Religious War between two cultures of Hate.

Dig that.

Maybe we oughta leave em alone and let em kill each other off.

[Danmel]

23. This is getting really old

Everyone got their copy of the "protocols"? You can buy it at Wal-Mart you know.

This is fucking tiresome already. Any country can defend itself except Israel. You know what? We're not going into ovens anymore. I'm not surprised by right wing Neo Nazis, but the so called progressives on this site, rife with anti semitism - and that's what it is, not just anti Israel or anti Zionism because why the hell else would everyone deny Jews a piece of land the size of New Jersey when every other religion, ethnic group (read East Timor, the Kurds, the Basques, the Tibetans etc. get full support for their rights to homelands (as they should) but not the Jewish people?

No one will be happy till every last Jew is dead, everywhere in the world. Then all us dead Jews will be blamed for everything anyway.

Fuck it- I'm out of here till this whole fucking mess blows over.

And BTW, my 15 year old daughter is in the Negev right now, as we speak, on a tour that she left for before this whole thing started. I fear for her safety and the other 40 kids (who are from all over the US, Canada, England, France and Belgium) every minute of everyday.

I know you're all rooting for all those nice Jewish kids from all over the world to die. So when she gets home safely, I'll be sure to post and disappoint you all.

[High Plains]

32. Shame on you with your rabid accusations of anti-semitism.

I hope your daughter makes it home okay. You might want to talk to Mr. Olmert about that.

[liberaliraqvet26]

20. How many callers did he call anti-semites??

did he do a lanny davis

[donsu]

22. no - he just dodged answering callers questions

nt

[pooja]

24. The real war will be with Iran.. the poor people in the middle..

the poor losers all around the world with an increase in all products driven by oil.. just wait until a hurricane strikes..

[enigmacat]

26. He is an Israeli ambassador to the US

Of course he is going to put forth the party line spin. :nopity:
If you are going to protect the lives of your citizens, surely what Israel is doing right now is completely antithetical to that.
And, of course, why would killing the many innocent Palestinians and Lebanese be of any good? To me that is the sickest and most selfish part of what Israel is doing; getting all these people killed, including their own citizens.

[Gloria]

28. So I wake up and hear on the BBC (shortwave) that Israel

is going to bomb the South in a couple of hours and everyone should leave and go North.

And I ask myself--if you've already bombed out most of the Lebanese infrastructure, inc. ROADS...how the hell are people supposed to get out??

Sounds like murder, to me.

[partylessinOhio]

31. If they leave they are sitting ducks for annihilation as the photos above.

Israelis have bomb shelters, their targets have none. They have no place safe, so they have to die. Bush doesn't want a ceasefire, so he also is condemning innocents to die. He is a very evil person playing with his toys and boys in Russia contributing nothing.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

29. If Hamas and Hezbollah completely laid down all their weapons

does anyone really think that Israel would then withdraw from the parts of Lebanon and Syria they now occupy our of the kindness of their hearts? Would they unilaterally allow the formation of a coherent and fully 100% independent Palestinian State? Would they remove all settlements outside of Israel proper? Would they open up Jerusalem completely.

By the same token, if Israel completely disarmed and unilaterally withdrew all military and settlements into Israel and allowed Palestinians total and complete self-determination, would Hamas and Hezbollah give up the fight?

One side is bent on destruction or negation of the other. The only way out of this is through compromise or the destruction of one side or the other. So far, neither side has shown much interest in true and fair compromise over the years.