The US Is Not A Puppet

[cali]

of Israel. AIPAC may have too much influence, but US Senators and Representatives are not having their 'strings' pulled by the Zionists. The media is not bought and paid for by PNAC or some other group that has Israel's interests over those of the United States.

Discussing the influence that AIPAC and Israel have on the US government is perfectly reasonable. Suggesting that Israel actually controls the US government, isn't.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled conspiracy theory.

[treestar]

1. IA they do not have to listen, they are only willing to, because their

agenda goes along with Israel's a great deal.

[mzteris]

2. explain

"too much influence".

[cali]

4. Perhaps I should have said

an undue influence. It does strike me that that influence, is at least, in part, responsible for our terribly one sided mideast policy.

[Skidmore]

3. Our government officials are "having their strings pulled"

sounds like qualifications for puppet status to me.

Actually, we are more of a rogue, client state.

[cali]

5. simplistic

formulation comprised of stock words and phrases.

[Skidmore]

9. Not so simplistic, considering no elected official in DC will do anything

but carry water for the Israeli lobby when it comes down to electioneering and policy making.

[DFLer4edu]

6. I think you need to go back and edit your post

You wrote, "US Senators and Representatives are having their 'strings' pulled by the Zionists." I think you meant to say that they weren't having their strings pulled. For the record, I disagree with your post. They are not having their stings pulled, but their buttons pushed. Very few US Senators and Representatives see both side to the issue. The US isn't controlled by Israel, but we are her abused wife, and sadly we won't admit we're being abused.

[cali]

7. LOL

I certainly did goof. Thanks for pointing it out.

You contradict yourself when you say in one breath that the US isn't controlled by Israel, and in the next state that "we are her abused wife".

[DFLer4edu]

12. I meant controlled in the robotic sense

In other words, no, all the conspiracy theorists can go home, Israel is not pulling the stings. However, the US is incredibly loyal and supportive of Israel and yet we usually get screwed for it. The US has a historical and moral obligation to ensure the existence of Israel, but that does not mean that we should let the IDF do anything they damn well please. Bush called for Hezbollah to lay down their weapons, he didn't call on Israel to accept a cease fire. Israel's response to the latest crisis has been way out of proportion. The IDF has shown a blatant disregard for civilian lives. The US should be pressuring both sides to accept a cease fire. The US should pressure both sides to stop killing civilians. As it is we are Israel's abused wife because we keep doing the same thing (unconditionally supporting Israel) and expecting a different result(peace).

[cali]

14. I understand the

comparison now, and completely agree.

[titoresque]

8. wrong.

When the influence outweighs the will of the people.

1. 2000
2. 2004
3. Illegal domestic wiretapping.

So.......YOU may now return to your regularly scheduled brain washing.

[ComerPerro]

10. then it better stop acting like one

[lastknowngood]

11. Then why does John Kerry and Feingold John Edwards and every

other so called dem leader spout the Israel has the right to defend itself but never suggests that Lebanon or Syria have that right. I'm sick to death of people making excuses for obvious bought and paid for politicians in both parties. We are spending billions of dollars to turn a third world racist nation into a first world military power, while denying our own security. I said when we went into Iraq that we would be living like the Israelis soon, welcome to my prophecy.

[Skidmore]

13. Hear, hear...

[cali]

15. It's a complex

matter. For whatever reasons support of Israel is an article of faith in both parties. I suspect that part of it is an institutional habit. Support of Israel is deeply ingrained in the Senate, the House, and the Executive branch, but that doesn't mean that it's all about money. Institutional habits are notoriously hard to break. AIPAC and other lobbies supporting Israel only supply a fraction of the funds that politicians rake in.

As far as Israel being a racist nation, take a look around you: We are too. We're occupying Iraq, and there's plenty of racism against our own citizens as well. And hey, we've killed a hell of a lot more Iraqis than Israelis have Palestinians or Lebanese.

[Junkdrawer]

16. Big Oil runs this government...

For now, ardent supporters of Israel and Big Oil are fellow travelers, but that could change.