Israel blames your mouth for its bloody fist.

[European Socialist]

The ship they were using for an act of war gets attacked, and they are outraged. Anyone with an ounce of fairness can see there are two sides to the ME problems. And we're expected to be knee jerk Israel.

[enigmacat]

1. Bizarro world

That is how it feels every time I look at the news.

[misternormal]

2. I think the Israeli government are war mongering...

... Imperialist thugs, simple as that.

[Tom Joad]

3. Backed up by war mongering imperialist thugs in the USA ...like bush and

all too many members of the House and Senate

[misternormal]

15. Perhaps I should have post scripted that... thank you... n/t

[Retired AF Dem]

7. Opinions and assholes

everybody has one.

[misternormal]

13. Yes, and I have both, thank you...n/t

[stray cat]

4. Definitely all sides have bloody fists and bloody mouths

Except perhaps for Iran who wore gloves by acting through Hezballah and hasn't been touched.

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[stepnw1f]

6. oh really?

who's fist might that be?

[Solo_in_MD]

8. You missed the key point in that attack which was that

Hezbollah employed a moderately sophisticated weapon that was supplied by Iraq. Also forgotten it that they launched 2 of them. The other hit a neutral freighter with an Eqyptian crew whic later sank. That is a tremendous step up in weaponry and points directly to active Iranian support of the Hezbollah. That is the big deal, not that gunboat suffered casualities and damage.

[Onus]

9. Israel Should Get Out

Israel should get out of Gaza and Southern (all) of Lebanon. Then Hizbullah and Hamas would have nothing to fight about. Wait...didn't they already try that?

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[Retired AF Dem]

11. Yes they did

lot of jew haters here. That is a shame since the Jews were so instrumental in the civil rights actions in the 60's.

[liberaliraqvet26]

14. any opposition to Israel's oppression is a "jew hater"

I am so tierd of the anti semite card. This is not so.

[Retired AF Dem]

20. It isn't

the much adored UN created Israel. Since then Israel has been under constant attack. When your life is in constant danger for your religious beliefs get back with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan

[liberaliraqvet26]

22. Israel was created through terrorism too....

Lets see if the U.N. was to give refugees from Sudan the entire state of New Hampshire what we would say

[Retired AF Dem]

30. Now you got it

The world let six million jews die under Hitler because no one wanted to deal with the refuguee problem if Hitler decided to force millions of Jews out of Germany instead of killing them. After the war the world felt guilty and created the problem we have today.

[liberaliraqvet26]

33. actually I was talking about the Zionist terror movement in the 40's

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others

November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants (see below).

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which housed the central offices of the civilian administration of the government of Palestine, killing or injuring more than 200 persons. The Irgun officially claimed responsibility for the incident, but subsequent evidence indicated that both the Haganah and the Jewish Agency were involved.

December 11, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons

[malaise]

34. Do you they they care about historical facts

Victim, victim, victim is all I hear while US made 500lb bombs destroy Lebanon.

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[Bjornsdotter]

28. Ditto, ditto & ditto n/t

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[LiberalVoice]

17. I dont give a fuck whos Jewish.

I dont hate jews. I think the Israeli govt is a POS though. Spin that into some sort of antisemitism if it helps you sleep at night. But the fact remains that while you expect terrorist organizations to kill innocent people, a government should have better ethics that they conduct themselves with. The Israeli govt acts with an eye for an eye fashion. Only when you throw a rock or shoot off a machine gun they launch surface to air missles at your house and your neighbors house. When a palestinian kills 2 people Israel kills 10.

I love the idea that people here at DU just hate Israel because they dont like jews :eyes: Its a shame when people choose to be lazy rather then rational.

[Retired AF Dem]

24. Than what do you expect Israel to do?

Israel gives up the Gaza strip, Israel leaves southern Lebanon and yet the attacks continue. Should they just keep taking it? I'm surrounded by terminal idiots.

[liberaliraqvet26]

25. no they should just kill everybody.

take your goddamn blinders off.

[LiberalVoice]

27. And so thats it?

Thats the excuse? They may have taken troops out but they certainly havent stopped killing people there. What you're telling me is Israel has the right to kill whoever they want in retaliation for a terrorist attack.

Are you against the Iraq war? Cuz with that logic you should be for it.

[cali]

26. The vast majority of DUers

aren't anti-semitic, and really we don't see to many comments like the one from Retired AF Dem, but we do see a lot of remarks that indicate that people believe that Israel/Jews are controlling the US. That is language that is closely aligned with classic anti-semitism, whether the person stating it is anti-semitic or not.

[liberaliraqvet26]

29. Not Jews in general, AIPAC contols the US....

it consists of some right wing Zionist Jews, Christain Zionists, US Imperialists and anyone on FAUX news but not a broad brush of jews.

I know some orthodox jews who oppose the whole concept of Israel.

[cali]

37. No, AIPAC

does not control the country. To say that's a vast oversimplification is an understatement.

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[LiberalVoice]

38. I dont know who it is that includes the word "jews"...

in their comments about Irael here on DU. But from my perspective I could care less what religion a people of any government believe in. My problem with Israel is their retaliatory nature when dealing with an attack by terrorists. While some of their ops are targetted at terrorists no thought is taken in for how many innocent people they will kill in the process. Not to mention their blatant attacks on civvilians in general. governments shouldn't have the same rules as terrorist organizations.

[BillZBubb]

23. What utter F**KING BULLSHIT! You should be ashamed.

"Jew haters"--wow pulled out the old anti-semite baloney. That didn't take long.

It's about Israel. It doesn't matter if they are Jews, Hindus, or Hottentots--they are wrong and doing great evil.

[1monster]

35. You know, this really ticks me off. I am not a Jew hater (that J is

capitalized, by the way), but I certainly can and do condemn Israel for its part in the serial war in the Middle East.

All Jews are not Israelis and all Israelis are not Jews. Ergo, it is a strawman argument to color all who critize Israel's actions as being Jew haters.

Israel is a bully. It is stronger than any of the Arab countries and several different combinations of those countries put together.

From a position of strenghth, Israel could have acted with more restraint and sought real, long-term solutions. But, instead, they follow the same gods of war and absolute dominion that the neocon war mongers do in this country.

I'm not a Jew hater. In fact, I can claim some Jewish ancestory. But I don't like Israel's government at all. I can't say I like our current government either, but that doesn't mean I hate the USA and all of its citizens or even what we are SUPPOSED to stand for.

Those who trash those who oppose the ugly actions of the Israeli government as being Jew haters are as bad as the 23 percenters in this country who would follow Bush through the fires of hell believing he can do no wrong. Israel is not omnipotent.

(I do not condone the ugly actions of others in this seeminly forever, never-ending conflict. However, Israel, when it was fighting for dominion in the early days used many of the same tactics that the Palestinians do today. They were also referred to as terrorists in the day. Repugnant as those practices are, they are almost universal in a revolution against perceived oppressors in the modern world.)

[Lefty48197]

12. You know it. They want Israel out of Israel

and they're going to keep bombing Israelis until the Isreali's leave, or kill their attackers.

[European Socialist]

18. If toeing the hard line made you safer--Israel would be the safest place..

on earth.

[stepnw1f]

19. fuckin sad

and you consider yourself to be a liberal?

[Tom Joad]

31. Israel never ended the occupation of Gaza. Stop the lies.

It controlled Gaza by other means, by control of the borders, by cutting off all economic life, by pushing of disasterous sanctions.

No government ('cept Israel), human rights group, considered Gaza to be anything but under Israeli occupation.

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[malaise]

21. It would be comical if

innocent people weren't dying. All of Israel's new rage is about that warship being blown up.

[ugarte]

36. 'Why do they hate us?'

Anyone who can't figure it out is willfully deluded or brain dead.

[undergroundpanther]

40. He said,she said

You did it firstWAAAAH..
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/undergroundpanther/33

[lonestarnot]

41. Ok, I'm taking sides now! Go Israel kick ass!

[undergroundpanther]

42. The side I take

Is the powerless sides,And there are powerless people ON BOTH SIDES of this conflict.
I side with some of the Palestinians, those desperate traumatized people who don't want to fight anymore, and the confused teenagers who have nothing left to live for who are being manipulated to off themselves by their fanatic'leaders' bullshit and charisma and spiritual abuses .I feel bad for them.
And I also side with some of the Israelis. Those who are caught in crossfire of two fanatic 'regimes'.Israeli innocents who are trying to make peace and don't want to fight despite what the fanatic leaders and occupiers for israel do to keep the war going on in the ME.

As for their respective asshole governments and religious fanatics .I refer to both Israel and The other countries, Palestine Lebanon and Syria etc.Fuck ALL the Leaders Rabbis and Mullah fanatic assholes.. Fuck all those asshole fanatic fascist leaders ruining the lives of good people stuck inside all those badly led countries.

LEADERS are who instigate wars against each other and drag the people into it convincing citizens to kill other people for 'leaders' that the'leader don't like.. .LEADERS who are fanatic assholes manipulating the people...of whatever respective country THEY are THE PROBLEM...

[Moderator]

43. locking

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