ter-ror-ism

[burythehatchet]

ter·ror·ism Audio pronunciation of "terrorism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

[Redstone]

1. And?

Redstone

[burythehatchet]

2. I find that you and other Israel supporters

freely throw around the "you can't negotiate with terrorists, you have to kill them". The definition is to point out that the term can also easily apply to Israel as well.

[Redstone]

3. Your definition applies to ANY side in ANY war. That's what war is.

Ever think about that?

Redstone

[burythehatchet]

4. So then why apply it selectively to Islamic groups?

[catmother]

5. am i missing something here? i didn't see redstone talking

about islamic groups or is it on another thread.

[Redstone]

7. Well, I DARED to point out the fact that it was Hezblooah who killed

American Marines in Beirut.

But so many people here are so ready to defend ANYONE except those evil, sinister JEWS, those JEWS who have our government under their evil, sneaky JEWISH control (because we all know how clever THOSE JEWS are), that I got jumped all over.

It's gotten be be like fucking Germany in 1938 around here lately.

Redstone

[catmother]

9. it was Hezbollah who killed american marines in beirut. i, for one,

would never defend Hezbollah or Hamas or any other terrorist group. i'm just truly sorry for the innocents who have been maimed or killed on both sides.

sorry you got jumped on. were you on the israel/palestine thread? i try to stay away from that one.

[Redstone]

11. I'm sorry for the innocents, too. But as I said, at least the Israelis are

AIMING their goddamn weapons. Hezbollah is blindly firing unguided missiles at Israeli cities.

Ad we sure as shit didn't like it when the Iraqis were shooting the SCUD missiles at our bases during Gulf War 1, did we?

Redstone

[catmother]

19. weren't they firing at israel too? i tend to remember a nursing

home getting hit, and israels putting on the gas masks. i know that poppy asked israel to not retaliate and they didn't.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

32. You may be right - I don't know

but since Hezbollah has no Air Force or Navy and only has unguided weapons technology, they may just be fighting in the only way they can. And like you, I'm sorry for the innocents too, on both sides.

[burythehatchet]

10. Germany 1938

It would be difficult for you to establish any credibility in my eyes. Germany 1938.

[Redstone]

13. Why? Because you're defending people who want to kill Jews just because

they're Jews?

Seems like the exact same thing to me. Pretty credible, really.

Redstone

[burythehatchet]

15. Please quote my words defending them

[Redstone]

18. Oh, balls. That defense is pretty clearly implied by your posts. Try to

weasel out of it all you want, but it's there.

Calling the Israelis the bad guys is prima facie calling the other side the good guys.

Redstone

[burythehatchet]

25. Really?

Calling the Israelis the bad guys is prima facie calling the other side the good guys. You're displaying a remarkably clouded judgment. Your anger doesn't help your focus either. I've noticed this has a typical and common response from other posters.

Anger clouds judgment. Anger leads to hatred. Hatred leads to violence. -- my man Yoda.

[Redstone]

28. So, have you said anything negative about Hezbollah?

Just wondering. Haven't seen such in this thread. Just evasive bullshit.

Redstone

[burythehatchet]

29. You say nothing, with remarkable vigor

You must be young and strong

[Redstone]

30. I asked what YOU said, not what I said. You're remarkably evasive.

Redstone

[burythehatchet]

31. uh-huh

your inability to comprehend plain english is not my issue, its yours.

[Redstone]

33. OK, time to invoke Redstone's Rule #2: Never waste your time arguing

with a person who gives the same answer to every question."

(Or refuses to answer a simple, and direct, question.)

No more.

Redstone

[Bluerthanblue]

26. we are funding and encouraging Israel- NOT 'Jews'- there

IS a difference, much to many peoples determination to link the two implicitly-

There are many people of the Jewish faith who do NOT support the activities of the nation of Israel-
but we won't hear much from them- because their voices are much like the voices of sanity who have screamed NO WAR here in the US, with little effect-

If America was funding and encouraging Hammas, or Hezbolla and saying "hey you've gotta do, what you 'feel is right' I'd be fucking pissed at THAT position too- but for us to encourage, and finance the arrogant, brutal attacks of the IDF- is flat out wrong in my personal opinion. And, like it or not I have every right to that opinion, and to voice it-

I'm NOT an 'apologist' for any side in war- I despise violence as a means of settling anything- but we have given Israel a carte blanche for whatever they want to do, no pressure to 'hold back' or 'attempt to broker peace'-

I fear for the innocent people in every country of the middle east- INCLUDING Israel- A stupid, arrogant, vengeful, 'few' are bring untolled misery to many-


"Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.

~A pirate, from St. Augustine's "City of God"

Military actions are terrorism- the difference is that it is state sponsored, and state sanctioned- and that makes it all the more abhorrant-

I pray for peace- for all.

[Redstone]

6. Well, for one thing, they're blindly firing unguided rockets at cities.

What the FUCK would you call that? At least the Israelis are AIMING.

Second, they'd be only too happy to kill you, yes YOU personally, along with your family, just because you're American.

I simply cannot understand people defending those assholes. I really can't. They're NOT "freedom fighters." Israel was OUT of Lebanon for six fucking years, but was that enough for them? NO, they had to keep shooting rockets into Israel and pulling shit like grabbing those Israeli soldiers.

They just could NOT leave well enough alone. They've sown the wind and are now reaping the whirlwind, and the world will be better off if the Israelis kill every last one of them.

They are NOT defending the Palestinians. They are NOT defending anyone else.

Defending those people is disgusting.

Redstone

[burythehatchet]

14. At least they're aiming.

"At least the Israelis are AIMING" You're correct on that one. It's a good thing they're not aiming at basic necessities of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
:(

they'd be only too happy to kill you, yes YOU personally, along with your family

OK Mr. Ashcroft, I understand :eyes:

"I simply cannot understand people defending those assholes. I really can't. They're NOT "freedom fighters." Israel was OUT of Lebanon for six fucking years, but was that enough for them? NO, they had to keep shooting rockets into Israel and pulling shit like grabbing those Israeli soldiers.

They just could NOT leave well enough alone. They've sown the wind and are now reaping the whirlwind, and the world will be better off if the Israelis kill every last one of them."

Amply covered in numerous other threads.

"Defending those people is disgusting."
Please quote my words defending them

[Redstone]

20. OK, fine, you've convinced me. It's much better if those big, bad JEWS

get beaten, and Hezbollah gets to be in charge. I've realized the error of my ways.

In fact, I hope they get to "wipe Israel off the map" as they've so frequently stated their aim to be.

You're absolutely right. Go, Hezbollah! Wipe 'em off the map! Once they've gotten rid of those JEWS, we'll all be better off.

Happy now?

Redstone

[MyNameGoesHere]

36. My gosh you are right

someone needs to sell guided missles to hezbollah quickly to reduce the civilian damage.

[CatWoman]

8. ooooooook

backing........slowly.......out.........of........thread..............

[burythehatchet]

16. heeeeeeeeeere kitty kitty kitty

[CatWoman]

22. LOL

I think I'll let curiosity hang out by itself this time :hi:

[burythehatchet]

24. Jump in, the water's fine

[ContraBass Black]

12. Thank you. The reminder is necessary, in a variety of contexts.

[Mass]

17. So does that make Hezbollah and Hamas right?\nt

[ContraBass Black]

21. How does the definition of terrorism make them right?

[Mass]

27. As you said, the reminder is necessary. IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

A lot of stupid things have been said these last few days by both sides on DU. Some people cannot see any fault in what the Israeli govt has done (though I do not understand where they think this will lead) and some people would see them as the only guilty party in this story.

I cannot stand with any of them. And we may want to include Bush in our recriminations. May be a little bit of diplomacy in the Middle East and of support for the parties who wanted peace could have helped avoid this horrible setback.

[burythehatchet]

23. I don't think so. There is no such thing as "right"

in this circumstance. What I do know is that the raison d'etre for terrorist groups is to try and gain bargaining power by illegitimate means. That describes both sides in this fight. No, neither is right in my opinion.

What I do know from observing history is that labeling one group something, while pretending you yourself are not that sort gives one a sense of moral justification, where none exists.

If I were to guess , I think if Israel and the Palestinians were to reach a fair settlement (no, Israel's offer was not fair, again, in my opinion) then the support for terror groups within the general populace would subside, making it harder for them to thrive.

We don't jknow about all the atrocities that the leaders of Hezbollah and Hamas may have committed. I do know of some and they are atrocities. Now look at the person who has been involved with Israeli operations since the 50's, I think. Ariel Sharon. His record of war crimes is truly breathtaking. So to give one side a moral high road is counter-productve to the debate. It kills the debate before it can occur.

[cali]

34. Your thread

is a riot. Sanctimonious, but funny. Trying to build a meaningful discourse out of the Webster's definition of terrorism, is just absurd unless you're in tenth grade. How old are you anyway?

[burythehatchet]

35. 46, how about you

[Redstone]

37. "Sanctimonious" really works in this case. "Evasive" does as well.

Redstone