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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:54 PM
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Poll question: Fuck 'em revised: Let's try another. Who do you "stand with" in this
conflict between Israel and Hezbollah/Lebanon?
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:55 PM
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I don't think Hezbollah should be
conflated with Lebanon in your poll.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:58 PM
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2. They're on the same side of the conflict. nt
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:59 PM
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4. Um, in what way, exactly?
That's not what I've been reading and watching for the last several days.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:04 PM
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7. Ummm...Israel is killing them both? nt
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:06 PM
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8. Well, it's one thing to "stand with" the Lebanese people,
another to "stand with" Hezbollah.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:19 PM
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18. No, they're in the path of the same bombs.
That doesn't make them partners.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:21 PM
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20. They only live together, I guess.
More like roommates?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:55 PM
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1. why is Hezbollah being lumped together with Lebanon?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:59 PM
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3. Ask Israel.
They say it has something to do with Lebanon allowing Hezbollah to move so freely in its borders.
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:09 PM
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11. yeah like Lebanon has the means to force them out...
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:01 PM
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5. I stand for justice and peace.
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 10:03 PM by Tom Joad
It is foolish to attempt to reduce the problem to choosing a team, rather than choosing human rights, choosing justice, choosing peace. That must be the criteria.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:06 PM
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9. You are SUCH a better person than me.
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 10:07 PM by BullGooseLoony
Can you tell me which of the parties mentioned above stands for human rights, justice and peace?

And, yes, including Lebanon.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:00 AM
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21. Everyone on earth is entitled to justice and peace.
That's all i'm saying. Your inferiority complex is your own invention, not mine.

For those who have been paying attention, Israel has clearly been the aggressor in this conflict, and has escalated at every stage, including when it isolated Gaza and put punitive sanctions on the Palestinian people, even before the capture of the Israeli soldier. Not to mention decades of occupation, and dispossession of Palestinian homes and farms and land. All this facilitated by the bush administration and much of congress, unfortunately.

Better minds have said things like this:
http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/news/israeli-occupation.php
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:12 AM
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22. Oh, so you stand with Hezbollah/Lebanon. Why didn't
you just say so?
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:47 AM
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23. Reminds me of a joke.
A journalist is in Jerusalem, and he is informed of this extraordinary Rabbi, whose heart is filled with compassion, and who prays everyday for peace and reconciliation of all peoples in the Middle East at the Wailing Wall.

He goes to the Wailing Wall to meet this beloved Rabbi.

He asks the Rabbi, "What's it feel like to pray everyday here for peace and justice in the Holy Land?"

The Rabbi responds "What's it feel like? I'll tell you what it feels like. I feel like I'm talkin to a freakin' brick wall everyday, that's what it feels like!"

And so it is attempting to communicate at DU with those who insist on twisting the meaning of other people's posts. Like talkin to a brick wall.
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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:01 PM
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6. I'm thinking you should have separated
hezbollah from the Lebanese government, because that's the way it is.

I'm thinking your poll doesn't really answer anything.

Could be just me, I don't know.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:07 PM
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10. Agree. Hezbollah and Lebanese govt. are not one and the same.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:10 PM
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17. Not exactly
23 members of Lebanon's Parliament are Hezbollah members.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:23 AM
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24. what bullshit reasoning
There are 231 Republican members of the US Congress, and I can still stand with Americans against the Bush regime.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:38 PM
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14. How does this poll point to a solution?
rather than a problem
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:20 PM
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12. I voted neither - but I have a question
Isn't the situation in Gaza intimately involved in this? Aren't the events in Palestine what triggered this outbreak of war? Can we separate the conflict in Gaza from the one in Lebanon? Or should we see what's happening in Lebanon as something completely separate and apart from the Palestinian issue and the fighting simultaneously taking place there?
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jrd200x Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:23 PM
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13. It's always possible Hamas and Hezbollah are working together
but on the face of this it is two separate conflicts.

Hezb is shooting missles into Israel. Then they nabbed two soldiers.

Hamas nabbed a soldier in Gaza.

These two events are happening at different ends of the country.

But I wouldn't doubt the terrorist groups are working together.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:41 PM
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15. I sympathize with Lebanon, otherwise my opinion of Hezbollah and IDF
is pretty damn low lately, hard to say which one is lower.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:19 PM
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19. Only lately? Gee, that's mighty generous of you.
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 11:22 PM by TankLV
Considering Hezbollah is the prime example of a TERRORIST organization.

Sorry, but I'm with Israel, Biden and Gingrich on this one.

HEZBOLLAH attacked Israel this time around, INSIDE their borders.

These idiots are MURDERERS first foremost and ONLY.

They don't get even a nod of sympathy from me.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:02 PM
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16. None of the above always wins
I would be interesting to make it binary and see what the tally was...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:30 AM
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25. I stand with the innocent citizenry on both sides caught in the middle
between governments and groups who don't know how to play and work well together.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:27 AM
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28. Agreed.. The tension was over on man...
now how many have died.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:44 AM
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26. I stand with Mr. Jefferson...
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations--entangling alliances with none, I deem the essential principles of our government, and consequently those which ought to shape its administration." - Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural Address, 1801

:patriot:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:45 AM
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27. Israel.
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