If Hillary is the nominee; will you sit the Presidential election out?

[hang a left]

Just wondering what the feeling is around here, since it looks like she is going to run.

[Broken_Hero]

1. um, no...n/t

[blonndee]

2. No, but I'll be

holding my nose! :)

[shanti]

15. yup

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

3. of course NOT.

[havocmom]

4. going to run / going to be nominee two very different things

IF (and it's a big IF) she gets the nod, I will vote DEM.

Until then I will work to get an electable nominee for the party.

[ourbluenation]

5. hell no - are you crazy?

no offense but a non vote is a vote for t h e m

[pitohui]

6. i would like to see a president hillary

i definitely won't sit it out, would love to see someone of her intellect back in the white house again

[Tulum_Moon]

10. If she is it I will

If asked to sit it out or dance...........I will dance.......... to Hillarys music.

[U4ikLefty]

7. No. but I will hold my nose & my stomach!!! n/t

[saltpoint]

8. If Senator Clinton is our nominee, she has my vote.

I would be less than honest if I said she was in my group of first-tier choices, but I'm voting Democratic in 06, 08, 10, 12, etc.

Look for me in the blue line.

[unschooler]

9. I'd NEVER sit on my hands and let the bastards stay in power.

And Hillary WON'T get the nomination.

[blogslut]

11. no

n/t

[chookie]

12. Nope

No way.

As Bartcop says -- Hillary may be the only American politician with the anger and hate enough to beat the Fascipublicans. Not bad qualities in the present age.

[NoodleBoy]

13. I'll vote for her, but I'll spend my time and what little money I can on

local candidates.

it really makes me sick when people act as though we only elect Presidents. there's a ton of work to be done on the lower levels that's been neglected for years, and it's really exciting to be a part of that.

[Old and In the Way]

14. huh?

I'll vote for any warm body that wins the nomination...maybe a cold one.

[JohnnyLib]

16. No sitting out

although I'd wonder why the hell she'd want to pick up the pieces after these 8 shameful years.

[DesertRat]

17. NO

She's not my first choice, but she's better than ANY Republican!

[Warren DeMontague]

18. It'd take more than that to get me to sit it out. But I don't think she's

going to be the nominee.

Personally, I'll take Al Gore. If not him then, maybe, Russ. Or Wes.

[Lindacooks]

19. Nope. Voting a straight Democratic ticket, no matter what.

For those of you who STILL don't understand why, it's all about committee chair designations, AND the Supreme Court, AND a peace plan for the Middle East, AND finally doing something about global warming, fixing the economy, creating good jobs, AND restoring funding to education, Pell grants, veterans benefits, infrastructure, etc. etc. etc., i.e. everything that chimpy et al has fucked up over the last 5-1/2 years.

[opihimoimoi]

20. Hill will get my vote...to sit the election out is NUTS..every vote counts

A non vote is a vote for the despicable PUBs....who are intent on fucking up this Planet with Fanatical Leadership.

Most Dems are for the COMMON GOOD

Most Pubs are for SELF INTEREST...

Its simple as that..

[jobycom]

21. I'll be doing the happy dance, and trying to educate you brainwashed fools

about how exactly the Republicans made you all think Gore was a DINO, and then Kerry, and now H Clinton.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Oh yeah? Well, I'll be doing the "safety dance". So there.

Because.. well, no reason.

[jobycom]

36. I had friend sprain his ankle doing the "Safety Dance"

You should never do the safety dance drunk in a college dorm, apparently. It comes out more like a slam dance.

[Clark2008]

48. I don't think Gore is a DINO.

However, I also know that Kerry didn't and Hillary won't flip a red state (caveat: Kerry flipped a northern red state, but none in the "Heartland," which is where we NEED to flip at least two big ones or three or four smaller ones - both to WIN and to unite the country).

Therefore, I can vote for whomever I want for president because Hillary won't get within 20 points of winning in my state. My one vote won't change that.

And it's not that people here think she's a DINO - they think she's demon "librul" scum.

[jobycom]

75. Hillary could carry Florida

She might do well in Arkansas, might not, depends on the campaign.

No one thinks Gore's a DINO now. But around here in 2001 he was bashed the way Hillary and Lieberman are now. There were posters calling him a DINO and a DLC slave, stating flatly that he had zero chance to win, to carry any southern states... everything you just said about Hillary, and much more. Same image, same reputation.

The day after Gore announced he wasn't running again, the exact same posters starting screaming that Gore was too liberal for the party, that the DLC and the DNC had chased him out of the race, and that he was the ONLY candidate who could win. His image did a complete about face simply because he dropped out of the race. He was saying the same things, but suddenly they were liberal things.

Same thing will happen with Hillary. Is happening with Hillary. And if Clark ever gets taken seriously as a candidate, same thing will happen to him.

Hillary has the biggest name, the biggest black book of donors, a track record of winning big elections. She's a woman, which immediately gives her a boost because a lot of people will vote for her for that. She was very, very popular in the south at one point--I have friends from Arkansas who still gush about her, and they are Republicans. So she can pull in the South as well as anyone else can. Maybe your guy can make a stronger showing, but that's still up in the air--no one else has a southern connection. Edwards couldn't even carry his home state. Neither could Gore.

But my point really isn't about who has the best chance of winning. It's about the smear of Hillary as a DINO or even a right winger here, and amongst other liberal sites. Someone posted a thread yesterday about how the media had twisted another speech of hers to make her seem DINO, claiming she had told Democrats they were worrying about petty issues, when it was clear from the speech that she was complaining about Republicans in the Senate. It's EXACTLY the way they twisted Gore's words to make it seem he was delusional--the Internet comment, the Love Canal comment, the Love Story comment. We all know how they lied about Gore. They are doing the same thing with Hillary now--on flag burning, on video games, on the troops in Iraq.

And Democrats are buying it. Wait until they finish Hillary off and go after Clark. I don't like Clark as a candidate, but I'll wind up defending him one of these days, too. The Republicans will smear him the way they do everyone else if he ever becomes viable, and they'll have Democrats believing it. When it hits your candidate, you'll see.

[Nutmegger]

22. I won't be fond

But damnit I can't just sit this one out.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

23. Right now I would say yes, I would sit it out

And I'll keep saying 'yes', hoping that there are enough who threaten to withdraw support so that she decides not to run. The Iraq war is that big an issue for me.

If she became the eventual candidate, however, I would probably do what millions of others would do. I'd go vote for her, making sure that I do it on an empty stomach.

[Boredtodeath]

46. I'm with you ain't........

My choice for prez would have to be "None of the Above."

[madeline_con]

24. I'll demand a recount. n/t

[Roxy66]

26. No... you have got to be kidding

I'm not going to risk our Country just because she doesnt fall in line with what some so-called open thinkers.

[silverweb]

27. Hell, no!

She may not be my first choice at this moment, but if she does well enough to win the Democratic nomination, I'll be stumping for her!

Sitting an election out is NOT an option.

[existentialist]

28. No.

I'll still vote Democratic, just as I'm going to vote for my Democratic Rep. Stephanie Herseth this year although I'm not particularly thrilled with many of Ms. Herseth's votes and statements.


("The lesser of two evils is evil."
Stated as a reason to vote for Ralph Nadar--and we
all know how that candidacy turned out. Not again if I
can help it.)

[readmoreoften]

29. No. No. No. No. And No.

I may not vote for her in the primary, but I will never let the facists win without a fight!

[Rosemary2205]

30. Heck no!

She's not my first choice at this point in time but I'll go with whoever the D's decide on and will actively push my neighbors to get out and vote for her.

[Clark2008]

49. And you think she's EVER in this world flip Georgia?

:rofl:

[Sherman A1]

31. Not my first choice

but if she is the nominee, she will have my vote.

[ContraBass Black]

32. No.

[zcflint09]

33. Of course not.

Anything to keep the Repugs out. Hillary cannot be as bad as Shrub.

[Greyhound]

34. The only things that will stop me from voting in 2008 are death

and possibly no access to a ballot because I'm becoming a citizen of another country.

[LittleClarkie]

35. I'll do what I did for Kerry

which is go looking for reasons to like her so I can campaign properly.

If I don't find anything I like, I'll likely still hold my nose and vote. I won't be the most effective campaigner you ever saw, but I'll vote.

Even so, a Conservative friend and I joke that if it's McCain vs Hillary, we might BOTH sit this out.

But I don't think I'll be able to manage.

[Eugene]

37. Absolutely not.

If Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton for President, I will support her.
Until then, I'll support someone else.

I wasn't wild about Bill Clinton in '92 either, but I voted for him anyway.

[Pushed To The Left]

38. I'll NEVER sit a Presidential election out!

If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I will support her 100%, just like I will for any Democrat who may win the nomination.

[FujiZ1]

39. Yes sir

I will vote local and statewide, but cast no vote for president. I guess that makes me the worst person in the world, but my state will go dem, and I will have no regrets.

[nealmhughes]

40. No way I'll sit one out just because she is not on my favorites list.

I honestly won't be happy about her candidacy, I wasn't wild about Kerry, but was mad for Dennis before, after and since...but I still will vote straight Democratic.

The nomination is no shoo-in folks -- remember, there are still primaries for people to win, no matter what the war chest! Money does not immediately equate victory...it just helps. It really, really, really, really helps...

[rucky]

41. Good God, No!

She might even govern a bit farther to the left than she suggests.

[wakeme2008]

42. Yep

I will not give $$$ or vote for a Repug.

[donheld]

43. Don't be daft. Of course I will not sit it out

:eyes::spank::crazy:

[Alamom]

44. Voting Democrat as I always have, (no matter who or whom)

My face looks better with a nose. :*

[TexasProgresive]

45. If there is a movement to get Clinton to run it's

the right wing who is itching to get her on the ballot. I don't think she has a snow ball's chance in Hell of being elected. I would vote for her in the election but if she is on the ballot I know the presidency is to the repukes.

[Ioo]

47. For Pres, Yes, locals no

[FloridaPat]

50. I take every opportunity to vote against repubs that I possibly can.

[Cooley Hurd]

51. Not a chance - I'll support her as strongly as I've supported anyone...

We need a Dem, ANY Dem, in the WH - before it's too late. :(

[jonnyblitz]

52. no more Clinton's or Bushes PLEASE!

:puke:

yes I would sit it out, i would vote on everything else and leave "President" blank..or "none of the above"..

I don't care what all the (((ASSHOLES))) who like to tell people how they better vote say...

[Vinca]

53. Any Democratic nominee gets my vote. nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

54. Shame On Those Here That Would. n/t

[Skidmore]

55. No, but I'm sure as heck not gonna caucus for her during

the primary season. We don't need a Dem dynasty any more than we need an R dynasty.

[mdmc]

56. she can win

without my vote. I'll be voting green in a blue state.

[patricia92243]

57. I prefer NOT to hve a Republican president. n/t

[mtnester]

58. No, my country is much more important to me than the political squabbling

that goes along with any close knit family (Dems).

SOMEONE has to care dammit!

[NNN0LHI]

59. I would run, not walk, down to vote for her. Any Democrat would n/t

[leftchick]

60. my precinct has paperless Diebold Touchscreens

and GEMS tabulators. I don't see how my vote will count.

[Swamp Rat]

61. No, but I don't think she is going to win the nomination anyway. n/t

[etherealtruth]

62. Absolutely NOT eom

[wildeyed]

63. Absolutely not.

n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

64. Two words: George Allen.

:scared:

[long_green]

88. another two: Sam Brownback

I am not a HRC fan but some if the GOP alternative is electing the Fourth Reich there's no doubt what I will do. And again, I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

93. Holy shit!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. No. But, I'll be voting..umm...selectively.

I'll be voting for the anti-war candidate. I expect that there will be, at least, one on the ballot in opposition to the pro-war candidates.

[dysfunctional press]

66. no- i'll probably vote for a third party candidate.

NO FUCKING WAY do i EVER cast a vote for a DLC shitbag DINO.

[bdamomma]

67. NO

it is our right and privilege to vote, we have to dismantle this PNAC agenda now.

[LWolf]

68. Why are you interested?

Do you think the Democratic Party will miss those who sit out because the party's shifts have "left them behind?" If the party is determined to nominate someone who polarizes the party as well as the nation, shouldn't the party be willing to accept the actions of those who disagree?

I won't sit out the election. I don't know that Hillary will get my vote. It depends on who else is on my ballot.

[ThomWV]

69. I'd Never Campain for here but I'd vote for her if I had no choice

and I'd have no choice if she were the nominee. But of course she won't be. It would be insanity to nominate someone who half of the nation (or maybe just a few more people than half) think is the female antichrist.

She is utterly unelectable beyond her present office.

[mmonk]

70. Depends on the banality of her opponent

but there is a chance I would only vote in the Congressional elections.

[redqueen]

71. can we stop assuming she'll be the nominee?

i'm sure we'll have better candidates. Let's work to get them the nomination, and not spin our wheels debating hypotheticals.

i should hope all third-party voters have learned a lesson these past 6 years. if not, well then we'll see if nader's theory about the thoughtless consumers waking up only when things get so bad they can no longer ignore them... because they surely will.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

73. And right on schedule another Hillary for president run question.

KKKarl would be so proud. It isn't like that Tweety, Dead Intern and the like don't beat this horse every damn day we have to have endless threads here at DU on the subject.

I'm with redqueen - hypotheticals, debates and divisiveness is straight out of KKKarl's play book.

I do solemnly swear that this is the last damn thread I am commenting on about Hillary's run, no run, vote, won't vote, poll, no poll, yadda, yadda, yadda until it becomes a relevant question. But that's just me.

[Jacobin]

72. It won't really matter

Because she will go down in flames at the polls. And we will have only ourselves (well, maybe not all of us) to blame for allowing her to be nominated.

And if she did by some miracle win, we'd have a PNACing Dem to continue the foreign policy blunders of Bush for the next four years.

[Bridget Burke]

74. Of course not.

She's not my favorite candidate, but I'll certainly vote for her if she's nominated.

[Xenotime]

76. No. Anything to get * out of office will be a day of celebration...

It will be hope for the future.

[Pathwalker]

77. Not just no but HELL NO!

Hell, I voted for Jeffrey Feiger against John Engler! ANY Democrat is better than ANY Repuke, even Hillary!

[SidDithers]

78. Will you? nt

Sid

[Rhiannon12866]

79. Of course not! That was the problem the last time.

Too many of "us" sat that one out, allowing them to steal the election, once again. What we need to do is to show up in such overwhelming numbers that there is no possible way for them to get away with this again. That's what we were aiming for the last time, but we blew it. I have never sat out any election, and I never will. Anytime you neglect to vote, that's one more vote for the opposition...x(

[IChing]

80. 2006 or all is null and void....n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

81. I'll hold my nose and vote for her

She won't get anything else from me except my vote. Not a nickel of my money or a minute of my time.

[leeroysphitz]

82. No, I'll just have to get used to the idea of permanent war abroad

and corporate feudalism at home. I'll vote for Senator Clinton over any Republican but can't we field a better candidate?

[movie_girl99]

83. no...she would not be my pick

I would vote for any Democratic candidate because no matter how bad, they will still do more for this country than any repug. By me not voting it could help the other guys and I couldn't have that on my conscious.

[Vidar]

84. No, I'd reluctantly vote for her.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

85. I never sit out elections...

but I will be voting for the democratic candidate of my choice -- and it won't be Hillary Clinton, even if she is the candidate. I will instead write in another Democrat. Living in a strong Democratic state thankfully enables me to make that choice.

[MODemocrat]

86. For crying out loud; why would I?

There's no way in hell I'll sit out any election as long as ANY democrat is in the midst. Why give the
votes to the fascists? You might say I'm a party loyalist. Take it any way you wish to.
:puke: Republicans this day and age make me very sick....

[Beelzebud]

87. I trust the Democratic Party to NOT nominate her.

That will be the Democratic Party's ultimate test for me.

[VOX]

89. She's not my idea of a winning candidate; nonetheless, I'd vote for her.

She's far too centrist, IMO.

At this point, I'd much rather see Gore, Edwards, Feingold, or Clark on the ballot.

[lonestarnot]

90. Are you fucking crazy?

[calico1]

91. No. n/t

[ecstatic]

92. The extreme left can sit out, it won't matter much

The moderate left, Democrats, and Centrists will be glad to have the seat back. Much of the Hillary hate comes from far left wingers--due to fear of the far right, and it's very sad how some of us choose to destroy our own. At first I found myself jumping on the Hate Hillary bandwagon but then I realized, Clinton is my type of Dem. She fights for liberal values from a Christian perspective--socially liberal, fiscally moderate. That's what most Americans want, IMO.