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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:24 AM
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Official: Jack the Ripper identified
Official: Jack the Ripper identified
By Stewart Tendler

Scotland Yard has taken possession of a policeman’s memoirs which names the serial killer


PRIVATE handwritten notes by the man who led the hunt for Jack the Ripper naming the chief suspect were given to Scotland Yard’s Black Museum yesterday.
Chief Inspector Donald Swanson kept quiet for years but in retirement, frustrated that the murderer had escaped justice, could not resist scribbling notes in the margin of his boss’s memoirs, naming the man that they both believed had become the world’s most famous serial killer.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,29389-2269526,00.html
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:25 AM
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1. It was Bill Clinton....
HE traveled back in a time machine and did the nasty deeds...

I heard it on Fox....
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:29 AM
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2. uh, no, but close...
It was the Clenis! :rofl:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:36 AM
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3. It is funny....
The way they blame everything on Clinton and the so called crocked penis...
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:47 AM
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14. Yeah, it never goes away
100 years from now there will still be frothers claiming something new is all his fault. Luckily they'll be marginalized blip on the political landscape by then.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:37 AM
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4. Aww.. the poor clenis sure takes a beating.......
The Today show will interview Big Dog in Africa tomorrow.

I saw a preview with Campbell Brown.

Anyway he looks great. Had a red with white stripe polo shirt.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:46 AM
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12. I think being an ex-president agrees with him
He looks so much happier and healthier nowadays!
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:16 AM
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10. Well, wherever you find the Clenis, Clinton is not far away
Not more than a few feet (if you get my drift).
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:46 AM
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13. LOL!
You mean it's not detachable? ;-)
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:42 AM
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5. Interesting article. Thanks for it.
This story always chills me to the bone.

I took a murder mystery tour in Whitechapel several years ago. I've never forgotten it.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:43 AM
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6. So this certainly screws up Patricia Cornwall's theory that it
was Walter Sickert, doesn't it?
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:04 AM
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9. According to a book review in one of the
UK papers at the time Cornwell's book came out (a real paper, not a tabloid!), Sickert was quietly living in France when some of the Ripper murders occurred and was nowhere near Whitechapel. The review also said that Patricia Cornwell was aware of this, but wrote her book in "don't bother me with the facts, I've already made up my mind" mode (paraphrasing, BTW).

I'm pretty sure the review in question was in the Sunday Times, but I honestly can't remember for certain.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 04:50 PM
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16. Oh I'm sure you're right. I was given the book (I would never have paid
for the thing) and as I was reading it I thought it was pretty shakey.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:57 AM
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18. Heh, you're like me - I was given a copy too,
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 10:18 AM by tenshi816
and I wouldn't have bought it either. I've enjoyed Patricia Cornwell's fiction in the past, but I really feel she was way off base with this non-fiction effort, which basically stinks of character assassination.

If you're interested, here's an article that also refers to the UK Sunday Times review I mentioned, quoting this paragraph from it:

The Ripper murders started on August 6, 1888. Sturgis has recently written in the Sunday Times (London) that Sickert was not in London at the time of two Ripper murders:

In fact, for much of the late summer of 1888 he was staying with his mother and brother in France, 20 miles from Dieppe. The exact dates of his holiday cannot be fixed but he probably left London in the middle of August – one drawing is dated August 4 and after that there are no references to his being in town. On September 6, six days after the murder of the Ripper's first victim and two days before the murder of the second, Sickert's mother wrote to a friend about the happy time they were having. It seems Sickert may have stayed until early October as he painted a picture of a local butcher's shop flooded with late summer light; he titled it "The October Sun."


Edited for typo
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:43 AM
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7. They still don't know who did it -- this is only a guess
One based on Victorian-style investigative techniques and little evidence. And, one that has been made before.

John Douglas did an interesting FBI profile of Jack the Ripper....
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 10:56 AM
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8. agreed. This just lists their prime suspect. I had heard a theory that
it was a minor member of the royal family, and they scapegoated an insane person to spare the royal family embarrassment.
Its hard to tell, either way.
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Mir Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:23 AM
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11. I find it kind of interesting
that a Polish Jewish man was named as the primary suspect. There could have been I think some kind framing of a Jew to stir up anti-Semitism as well as shift suspiscion. After all, I think that during this time another horrible murder was committed against a woman and the murderer was a Jewish man who was nicknamed "Leather Apron" for whatever reason. Also, there was a scribbling on a wall close to one of the Ripper murders that read "The Jews are the men who won't be blamed for nothing." It was quickly removed by police out of fear that it would stir up anti-Semitism in the community. So I think that these things when combined with the relative eloquence of some of the letters sent to the police suggest a more sophisticated killer trying to make it look like a crazed foreign Jew was responsible. The mystery continues...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 11:58 AM
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15. This isn't a positive ID
At best it is a guess based on a witness who refused to positively ID Kosminski. There are actualy a couple of serious facts that would disqualify Kosminski. The first is that the man had no atanomical knowledge whatsoever. He was a crazed former hairdresser, one who was highly unlikely to have the anatomical knowledge demonstrated by the Ripper. Police at the time and since have always said that due to the precise dismemberment of the bodies that whoever did the crimes had to have anatomical knowledge, either from being a butcher, or more likely somebody from the medical field. This disqualifies Kosminski, since he only cut hair, not flesh, muscle and tendons.

Secondly, though he was crazy and eventually committed to an asylum, those who knew Kosminski stated that he was of no danger to anybody with the possible exception of himself.<http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/non-fiction/cjmorley/107.html>

Frankly at this point in time I doubt that we'll ever find out for sure who Jack the Ripper was.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:47 PM
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17. THANKS
Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 05:47 PM by Raine
for posting this, I'm a big follower of this and other unsolved crimes.

EDIT: typo
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