Urgent Warning: CNN prepares Israeli false flag war provocation. . . .

[donsu]

Urgent Warning: CNN prepares Israeli false flag war provocation vs. Americans in Lebanon


http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_998.shtml


-snip-

False flag scenarios would be entirely more effective from the point of view of the war planners. CNN and MSNBC coverage this Saturday morning has been stressing the situation of the 25,000 Americans now stuck in Lebanon. These Americans are being invited to register with the US consulates for possible evacuation. The State Department and the US military have been remarkably slow to begin such an evacuation.

One possible provocation scenario to bring the US into the war is that a helicopter carrying US citizens being evacuated out of Lebanon is hit by a missile and destroyed, killing all on board. The missile might be fired by the Israelis or by their allies among the fascist Lebanese Phalangists. The Israelis would announce that the helicopter had been destroyed by Hezbollah, opening the way for a hysterical campaign by Fox News and the rest of the neocon mass brainwashing apparatus to secure an early US attack on Syria and Iran.

An alternative: a group of Arabic-speaking Israeli Mossad or Shin Beth special forces, or a group of Phalangist militia round up a few dozen Americans and machine-gun them to death. The controlled media then blame the massacre on Hezbolllah, thus stampeding the US population into war.

The "Christian" Phalangist (or "Kataeb Party") have long been a willing cat's paw for the US and Israelis in Lebanon. It was the Phalangists, controlled by the Gemayel family, who did most of the actual killing at the infamous Tel-al-Zaatar massacre in August 1976, in the midst of the Kissinger-provoked Lebanese civil war. The Phalangists in that case did the dirty work under the supervision of the Israelis. Although the controlled media have been silent about the Phalange, it is clear that they are still available for dirty operations.
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the neo cons will use our american citizens in Lebanon to further their cause - bet on it

[Virginia Dare]

1. This is what happens...

when the extremists are in charge. The American people need to keep a level head here. I hope to hell this time we can all rise above our corrupt leadership.

[Minnesota Libra]

2. Is it not possible that in the hypothetical situation described in........

.....the article, the missile hitting the helicopter carrying the Americans could indeed be a Hezbolloh fired missile??

I would want proof, to be sure, but I think the potential exists that it could be a Hezbolloh fired missile. Oh, but no, it couldn't possibly be anything but an Israeli fired missile, Hezbolloh would never fire missiles at Israel would they??

I want proof either way.

[Teaser]

3. HEzbollah has no compelling interest in downing

American citizens.

[SlipperySlope]

9. Hezbollah has EVERY interest in killing Americans

Hezbollah has no purpose if they aren't at war with Israel. Killing Americans will prolong and deepen the war, which is exactly what Hezbollah needs.

[EVDebs]

24. bin Laden, Hezbollah, Hamas, all NEED Bush higher in the polls

to bolster themselves. Innocent civilians always are used and useful in their 'great game'.

If Hezbollah and Hamas were really smart they would return the captured soldiers...and see what happens next.

[BushOut06]

4. No, because that would imply Hezbollah is acting agressively

And we all know that Hezbollah has never, ever attacked American targets. :sarcasm:

Looks like the groundwork is already being laid to blame anything that happens on the Israelis or their "fascist" allies.

[jean]

7. Trouble is, even though reasonable people want proof, the bush admin

would go in cowboy style, with mouths full of barely chewed food.

This scenario would give bush/Rove/Cheney the best wedge issue yet: Republicans will go to war and fight for Americans BUT Democrats will wait for proof (and permission).

I'm trying to imagine the slogans ...

[rman]

13. "could be"? sure, so what.

That's what makes it easy to get away with a false-flag operation that makes it seem as though Hezbollah did it.

A helicopter being shot down does by itself not prove who did it. Only a thorough investigation can prove anything either way. But it's hard to do a proper investigation in what is essentially a war zone. Perfect circumstances for clandestine ops.

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. Makes no difference whose missile it is --

it will be blamed on Iran in any case.

100% guarantee it.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. Remember the Maine!

I mean, really, Remember the Maine!

"The laying of blame for the Maine disaster on the Spanish was not really a hoax but distortion of the facts by press, politicians, bureaucrats and professional naval officers. All of them told and believed the story as they wished it might have been."

Saturday Evening Post, Nov'76 page 34.

[leveymg]

6. Wouldn't say it's impossible. But, a false-flag outrage would be very

risky and could backfire badly on those behind it, if discovered.

I could see US Special Forces hunting down and killing everyone involved, if such a thing were uncovered. You have to remember, there is a greatly heightened awareness of terrorism, in all its forms (including false flag ops), today.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. Online Journal is hardly a reputable source...

...for anything involving the Middle East.

Let's take a look at some of their other "wisdom" on this subject:

Immediately after the defeat of German Fascism, Zionism -- a clone of Fascism -- began its project of colonising Palestine and establishing a purely “Jewish State” with a European Christian culture.

But the main player, who has the allegiance of the rest and who used the pretext of 9/11 to implement colonialism in Iraq, is not Israel or U.S. traditional imperialists but the powerful and ubiquitous class of U.S. Zionists. We shall discuss this matter in the upcoming parts.

I could go on, but this thread is destined for deletion or the dungeon anyway.

[cali]

10. Ugh.

We're seeing a lot of that- posting from sites that are essentially just hate mongers.

[donsu]

16. online journal does not hate monger - get a grip

nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

20. Equating Israel and Jews with the Nazis isn't hatemongering?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I Disagree

I put that bizarre scenario up there with The Doctor's Plot, L'affaire Dreyfus, and The Protecols Of Zion all of which have proven to be false.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

36. Online Journal also publishes materials...

...that are intended to push the conspiracy theory that Jews/Israel were responsible for 9/11.

[cali]

32. This is traditional

hate mongering. That you can't see it is sad. I'll just have to assume you don't understand why it is- the history behind remarks such as the ones DFB posted.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

25. What site(s) would you suggest...

...DUers visit and post from when they want objective, unbiased, informed analysis in the form of editorial commentary about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and/or the Middle East in general?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

40. I'd maybe start...

...with websites that don't believe the Jews were responsible for 9/11, but that's just me.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

53. I understand you don't like...

...Online Journal, I'm asking what sites you would recommend for high quality editorial commentary on the Israeli/Palestenian conflict and the Middle East in general.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

56. You could start with Juan Cole's blog.

Even if you don't agree with his commentary, he links to a wide variety of sources, most of which are pretty decent.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Wow

":An alternative: a group of Arabic-speaking Israeli Mossad or Shin Beth special forces, or a group of Phalangist militia round up a few dozen Americans and machine-gun them to death. The controlled media then blame the massacre on Hezbolllah, thus stampeding the US population into war.:"


How is suggesting that Israel will murder innocent Americans , and blame it on Arabs any different than ancient anti-semitic calumnies like The Dreyfus Affair,The Doctor's Plot, and the Protecols Of Zion?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. All Proven To Be False

I feel I am at the wrong site sometimes.

[rman]

19. Do you mean you think false-flag ops don't happen?

If so, i think you've missed a significant part of modern history.


Gladio - BBC Timewatch (1992)
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_CIA.htm
Three-part series investigating the secret activities of 'stay behind' units in Europe after the Second World War. Exposes the clandestine terrorist activities of these groups in Belgium & Italy, and their involvement with the CIA. Directed by Allan Francovich.

part one - The Ring Masters
http://11syyskuu.net/video/Gladio-1.wmv

part two - The Puppeteers
http://11syyskuu.net/video/Gladio-2.wmv

part three - The Foot Soldiers
http://11syyskuu.net/video/Gladio-3.wmv

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I Think We Are Debating On Parallel Tracks

To suggest that Israel will murder Americans to make the United States mad at Arabs is tantamount to blood libel no matter how much intellectual dressing you put on it.

[rman]

39. why?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Because It's A Heinous Act

And to pre-emptively suggest an ally would do it, any ally, would be wrong.

[rman]

46. So you agree it's not impossible/implausible that they could do it?

It's just that you think it's wrong to suggest that they could before they have done it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. It's Theoretically Possible But Practically Inconceivable

The risk is not even in the same ballpark as the benefits.

And I don't think Israelis would muder Americans or as the OP implied , take them out gangland style.

We're not talking about the Maine or the USS Maddox

[rman]

57. We could talk about the USS Liberty though

BBC Documentary – Dead in the Water

During the Six-Day war, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty, claiming mistaken identity. The truth turns out to be more sinister.

part 1
http://movies01.archive.org/opensource_movies/newsreal/indybay/uploads/libertypart1.rm

part 2
http://movies01.archive.org/opensource_movies/newsreal/indybay/uploads/libertypart2.rm

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Here's what the survivors have to say about it:


A Report:
War Crimes Committed Against U.S. Military Personnel, June 8, 1967
http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm

Submitted to the Secretary of the Army in his capacity as Executive Agent for the Secretary of Defense, June 8, 2005.

This report of war crimes committed against U.S. military personnel is submitted to the Honorable Secretary of the Army in his capacity as Executive Agent for the Secretary of Defense, pursuant to Department of Defense Directive Number 5810.01B (29 March 2004) <1> .

This Report is filed by the USS Liberty Veterans Association, Inc. a California non-profit corporation, recognized by the Internal Revenue Service as a Section 501(c)(3) tax exempt veterans organization, acting on behalf of the surviving crewmembers of USS Liberty.

Background

On June 8, 1967 while patrolling in international waters<2> in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.<3>

Of a crew of 294 officers and men<4> (including three civilians)<5>, the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.<6> The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap<7> .

<snip>

Survivor James M. Ennes, Jr., Exhibit 12

"Yet despite these things a few Americans seem to accept the preposterous claim that the attack was a mistake and that firing stopped with the torpedo explosion. One can accept and understand this attitude from an Israeli, as he would have a natural tendency to believe his country's version of events and to disbelieve contrary versions -- especially since he has no personal experience to draw upon. But how can an American disbelieve the virtually identical eyewitness reports of scores of surviving fellow Americans and accept instead the undocumented claims of the foreign power that tried to kill them? That is very difficult to understand or to accept.

The typical Israeli reaction is that we are liars or antiSemites, which of course we are not. We are American sailors honestly reporting an act of treachery at sea. At the very least we deserve your courtesy and understanding."


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The True Story of Israel's attack
on an American Intelligence Ship

By James M. Ennes, Jr.

Chapter Six

AIR ATTACK

Copyright by James Ennes 1980, 1986, 1995, 2002, 2004, 2005

Imagine all the earthquakes in the world, and all the thunder and lightnings together in a space of two miles, all going off at once.
--Description by unknown U.S. Army officer of night engagement when Farragut ran Fort Jackson and St. Philip, April 24, 1862

Searing heat and terrible noise came suddenly from everywhere. Instinctively I turned sideways, presenting the smallest target to the heat. Heat came first, and it was heat--not cannon fire--that caused me to turn away. It was too soon to be aware of rockets or cannon fire.

"We're shooting!" I thought. "Why are we shooting?" The air filled with hot metal as a geometric pattern of orange flashes opened holes in the heavy deck plating. An explosion tossed our gunners high into the air-spinning, broken, like rag dolls.

My first impression--my primitive, protective search for something safe and familiar that put me emotionally behind the gun--was wrong. We were not firing at all. We were being pounded with a deadly barrage of aircraft cannon and rocket fire.

<snip>

Aircraft-carrier sailors know that certain airplanes are always spotted near the catapults where they are kept fueled, armed and ready to fly. They are maintained by special crews, they are flown by carefully selected pilots, and they are kept under special guard at all times. These are the "ready" aircraft. To visitors, they are almost indistinguishable from other aircraft, but they are very special aircraft indeed, and their use is an ominous sign of trouble. They carry nuclear weapons.

No one in government has acknowledged that "ready" aircraft were sent toward Liberty, and no messages or logs have been unearthed to prove that nuclear-armed aircraft were launched; moreover, there is no indication that release of nuclear weapons was authorized under any circumstances, or that ready aircraft, which normally carry nuclear weapons, were launched toward Liberty, and that the Pentagon reacted to the launch with anger bordering on hysteria.
Widely separated sources have described the launch and subsequent recall of those aircraft in detail, and the circumstances are compelling.

http://www.ussliberty.org/chapter6.htm

[Marie26]

14. To the dungeon with you! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Why The Dungeon

Either it is a calumny or it isn't.

[Marie26]

27. It is one

And the 9/11 forum is the place for it - that's full of conspiracy calumnies. I'd prefer that junk like this isn't posted at all here; and it also makes me wonder if I'm at the wrong site.

[rman]

29. lemme guess:

you think Watergate, Iran-Contra, Bay of Pigs did not happen? Ot do you think those were not conspiracies?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Do you

do you think the The Doctor's Plot, Laffaire Dreyfus, and the Protecols Of Zion did not happen? Or do you think those were not conspiracies against (the Jews)?

[rman]

35. i'm not even going to look at your straw men

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. How Is It A Straw Man

The original poster endorsed the notion that a group of Israelis are going to murder Americans and blame it on the Arabs.

How is that different than saying Dreyfus was a traitor, Soviet Jewish doctors were trying to kill Stalin, and that Zionists had a plan for world domination?

[Marie26]

41. Whew

I hadn't heard of these particular "conspiracies" before. Ugh - I googled "Protocols of Zion" & now feel totally creeped out. The amount of hate out there is amazing.

Interesting side note: "Lebanon and Hezbollah: In March 1970, the Protocols were reported to be the top 'nonfiction' bestseller in Lebanon. The Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 2004 by the US Department of State states that "the television series, Ash-Shatat ("The Diaspora"), which centred on the alleged conspiracy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to dominate the world, was aired in October and November 2003 by the Lebanon-based satellite television network Al-Manar, owned by Hezbollah."<46>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#Lebanon_and_Hezbollah

[rman]

52. But it's irrelevant to this discussion (unless you believe in guilt by

association). That why those are straw men.

[Marie26]

33. Please don't bother.

And are you saying that astronauts actually landed on the moon? So naive. Don't you know that the government lies - remember Watergate, Iran-Contra? Do you see the logical fallacy there? One actual conspiracy is not evidence of whatever loony conspiracy people want to come up with. There's zero evidence for this pre-emptive conspiracy involving an event that hasn't even happened. It's gross speculation & a pretty awful smear.

[rman]

37. Your fallacy is that you make it seem as though all conspiracy theories

are nuts. As per your statement "9/11 is full of conspiracy calumnies".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Hmmm

I think she's suggesting you are using the existence of real conspiracies to confirm the existence of bizarre conspiracies that haven't even happened.

Oh, how was the Bay Of Pigs conspiracy?

It was a ridiculously flawed and naive military mission

[rman]

49. It was a covert operation involving the CIA.

The reason why it failed is that they were unable to keep it secret - Castro knew they were coming.
Also JFK withheld the 'official' military support at the last minute - so much for "military mission".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Duplicate

.

[Marie26]

44. Not necessarily

But often. Conspiracy theories are often totally nuts. If you want to prove one, you've got to prove it on it's own merits. Pointing to the Bay of Pigs to somehow prove an false flag attack by Israelis is some pretty bad reasoning.

[rman]

47. Likewise is is bad reasoning to suggest that anyone who

concerns him/herself with conspiracy theories is a "conspiracy calumny".
And that is all that i responded to, it's all that i had to go on. It is only now that you are more nuanced.

[Marie26]

50. Nuance?

The 9/11 forum is the dumping ground for conspiracy theories, real or imagined. That is where this thread should go.

[rman]

54. nuance

"Conspiracy theories are often totally nuts"
versus
"conspiracy calumnies"

[Marie26]

58. They are the same thing.

I'm starting to think you have issues w/reading comprehension. Totally nuts conspiracies are calumnies. Calumnies like this OP belong in the 9/11 forum or not posted at all.

[Solo_in_MD]

15. This is a trifle on the tinfoil hat side...tying CNN in to it is hyperbole

False flag ops are always a concern in such confused circumstances, though I agree with other posts here that it could unravel and then there would be hell to pay.

If an extraction helo/bus/ship is shot at I would bet more on a Hezbollah/Hamas than the IDF. The former has little C3I and the shooter may think its an IDF activity. If the IDF shoots it will be with deliberate intent (ala the USS Liberty)

The average armed member of Hamas is a poor, poorly educated Muslim who know little to nothing about the rules of war. He will realize that its not his people and they are getting away, and under the circumstances may take a shot with whatever he has.

[donsu]

22. read the whole article, it wasn't just CNN

nt

[TimeToGo]

18. False Flag?

That isn't even what "false flag" means. A false flag operation is when you recruit someone to ostensibly work for Country X but in reality he/she will be unknowingly doing the bidding of Country Y.

[Beelzebud]

23. A false flag operation is where you attack yourself and blame it on

your enemies.

[rman]

28. wrong

It's not about the recruiting or the recruits, it's about what the recruits/operatives do and how it appears to the world at large.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. Terrorist attacks may sometimes be in fact false flag operations, as in the Italian strategy of tension in which several bombings in the 1970s, attributed to far-left organizations, were in fact carried out by far-right organizations cooperating with the Italian secret services.

<more>

[Beelzebud]

21. I thnk this whole episode is a "false flag operation".

When Isreal began invading countries based on 2 soldiers being held, False Flag immediately entered my mind.

[KoKo]

34. This is an interesting read ...probably one of the many scenarios on

going on in the background...:-( Thanks for the post.

[Junkdrawer]

51. Don't worry, they're sending a cruise ship...here's a photo...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2395004

[The Magistrate]

59. Locking

Author of the piece cited is, quite literally, a Nazi.