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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:14 AM
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to defend what israel right or wrong just because it is israel, is, in my
Edited on Tue Jul-18-06 09:21 AM by flordehinojos
view the same as defending bush, right or wrong, just because he is bush.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:15 AM
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1. True, so are you saying they're (Israelis) wrong?
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:19 AM
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2. yes, that is what i am saying.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:27 AM
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3. Oh ok.
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afrosia Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:10 AM
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4. Not liking Israel isn't anti-semitic
..any more than not liking Italy makes you anti-Christian, or not liking Thailand makes you anti-buddhist (I love both). They do little to nothing to endear themselves to anyone so they won't get any sympathy from many people. Many Israelis know this and so they claim that it's due to anti-semitism. They're a desperate joke.

I'm sure the people might be nice but their government ruin it IMO.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:40 AM
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6. you got the point which is also to say that standing up for what is right
against that which is wrong doesn't make anyone anti-semitic, it just simply makes them, "standing up for justice and for truth"--that is all.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:44 AM
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7. However, Ma'am
Others may very well not share your view of what constitutes "justice and truth:, and have as well a different view of who is standing up for same. What strikes you as defending Israel "just because it is Israel" may be, in another's view, a very reasonable view of the situation and the recent events dominating the news.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 06:04 PM
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8. sadly, you are right.
all one has to do is turn on the television and listen to chris matthews, tucker carlson, wolf blitzer and many other bush and now israel propaganda mouth pices. nevertheless, when emotionality is over and people can think calmly, truth stands on its own.

and, as Lucian Bohne says in her excellent article, Pity the nations:


http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1006.shtml


(snip)It is no surprise that Israel, America's attack dog in the ME, takes its cue from its master. Just as Hamas was proposing a two-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict (implicitly recognizing Israel as a state), Olmert's cabinet launched its campaign of terror in Gaza, starving, bombing, and killing Palestinian civilians, a fact graphically witnessed by the world in the extermination of a Palestinian family picnicking on a Gaza beach. Quite outrageously for Israel's objectives to deny Palestinians any "right to exist" (that right exists for the exclusive use of the Israeli state, apparently). Hamas had made an offer Israel could not accept -- a two-state solution, which implicitly recognized Israeli nationhood -- for it entailed ending an illegal occupation of territories whose control it has no intention of giving up and whose control, moreover, provides limitless occasions to remind Arab aspirations for national independence that they'd better think again. Israel has the fourth strongest army in the world -- and it is backed by the first.
Now in Lebanon, Israel is again "defending" itself -- as it does in Gaza and the West Bank by occupying and serially reinvading territories that don't belong to it -- and it is defending itself by laying waste a country that has no military resources to defend itself. Lebanon has a gun pointed at its head: either disarm Hizballah or we will destroy you. The US, meanwhile, has a gun pointed at Syria's Assad: either you call off Hizballah, or . . . you'll see what we'll do to you. Look at Iraq, if you need reminders.
They offer deals that are calculated not only to be refused but that they know are also impossible to deliver.
Indeed, this aggression on Lebanon is a plan hatched between the Bush imperial conspirators and their Israeli clients to create the context and conditions that open the way for a pretext to assault Syria and -- more importantly -- Iran. That the assault on Lebanon was a plan, is evidenced by similar Israeli tactical provocations in past wars -- preeminently the 1967 war, characterized by Israeli border provocations against Egypt and Syria. Today, the target is Iran. To the deluded in the US who think that the US is a victim of Israeli ambition, they need to wake up. Israel does not move without the US's say so. When Israel, cut a deal independently with China to supply it with military hardware, it had its hands slapped in no uncertain terms by the US.
We are way past the time in this lawless age of imperial disregard for international law, of corrupt and fraudulent elections, of the advancing fossilization of the international legal order, of tremendous transfer of wealth from poor nations to the rich ones, of the internal "third worldization" of the people of the "first world," of the transfer of the same people's wealth into private hands, and of the declared imperial policy of might makes right, to remind ourselves that there is such a thing as a UN Charter forbidding aggression; that the Palestinian resistance has all the legitimacy and the Israeli occupation of Palestine has none; that the US and Israel are "failed states" inasmuch as they are unable to provide security for their own population and, in fact, that they open them to terrorist attacks by their actions; that Israel and the US are terrorist states because they target populations to obtain political ends, and that they are a threat to global survival with their deliberate recklessness of unchecked conquest.
(snip)
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1006.shtml







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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:38 AM
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5. O:-)
O:-)
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