Snow Tries To Discredit Helen By Calling Her Comments "THE HEZBOLLAH VIEW"

[kpete]

Snow To Helen Thomas: ‘Thank You For the Hezbollah View’

In a contentious exchange at this afternoon’s White House press briefing, Tony Snow attempted to discredit reporter Helen Thomas by characterizing her comments as “the Hezbollah view.” Watch it.



Thomas asked Snow why the U.S. recently vetoed an Arab-backed U.N. resolution calling for Israel to halt its military offensive in Lebanon. Snow claimed, “We didn’t even veto — please get your facts right.” Thomas followed up by specifically asking, “There was no veto at the U.N.?” Snow maintained: “No. There hasn’t been a resolution at the V.N. — the U.N., whatever it is.”

Snow is the one who needs to check his facts. The AP reported last Thursday:

The United States blocked an Arab-backed resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first U.N. Security Council veto in nearly two years.

The draft, sponsored by Qatar on behalf of other Arab nations, accused Israel of a “disproportionate use of force” that endangered Palestinian civilians, and demanded Israel withdraw its troops from Gaza. The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, while Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia abstained.

QUESTION: The United States is not that helpless. It could have stopped the bombardments of Lebanon. We have that much control with the Israelis.

SNOW: I don’t think so.

QUESTION: We have gone for collective punishment against all of Lebanon and Palestine. And what’s happening — and that’s the perception of the United States.

SNOW: Well, thank you for the Hezbollah view, but I would encourage you…

QUESTION: Nobody’s accepting your explanation. What is it say, to call for…

SNOW: I’ll tell you, what’s interesting is people have. The G-8 was completely united on this. And as you know when it comes to issues of…

QUESTION: Stop the cease-fire? Why?

video and transcript at:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/18/snow-to-helen-thomas-%e2%80%98thank-you-for-the-hezbollah-view%e2%80%99/

[charlie]

That has a familiar ring

Seems to be what all the cool kids are saying nowadays.

[CuteNFuzzy]

1. You know

You could replace Tony Snow with Hilary Clinton and the comments on this issue would all be the same.

That is VERY sad.

[LittleClarkie]

10. Except that she wouldn't have been a dick about it

and would have been more diplomatic, not calling Helen Hezbollah.

[ContraBass Black]

20. Hillary Clinton is much smarter than that.

And she might even disagree with the sentiment.

[scarface2004]

52. well tony snow is the cocksucker view!

cocksucking dick fuck!!

you can delete now.

[Binka]

55. This Post Will Not Be Deleted! It ROCKS!

Thank you for this post.:loveya:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

53. Great response to start the thread!

NOT!

What the hell does Hillary Clinton have to do with this? Not saying anything about you in particular -- but isn't this the typical right-wing deflection tactic?

[JackNewtown]

56. Good point nt

[malaise]

2. Thanks Helen

for exposing another snow job.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. good snow job

let's inflame the Islamic world even more against us, Tony.

[Kurovski]

4. K&R.(nt)

[sinkingfeeling]

5. Always great to have a press secretary that doesn't know its the

UN nor what takes place there! More total disconnect from reality.

[Nothing Without Hope]

65. You really think he didn't know about the that the US veto blocked the

otherwise unanimous vote of the UN Security Council for a ceasefire?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2392488

Oh, I think he knew, he's misdirecting and lying. There's a difference from just ignorance. This is deliberate. After all, it would be sort of embarrassing if the US public realized just what their government is doing to prolong and intensify the civilian and infrastructure carnage in Lebanon and how the rest of the world opposes it.

Giving a man with the record of Tony Snow the benefit of the doubt when he emits a false statement favorable to his bushie masters is a mistake. Lying is what he DOES.

[bicentennial_baby]

6. What a nice thing to say to the child of Lebanese immigrants...

:puke:

[LSparkle]

13. I was just going to note that -- he is a TOTAL dick

This is her country we're basically talking about and he lectures her as if she were a dilletante.

[bryant69]

7. How long before they start stringing up reporters?

That's disgraceful.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[RedStateShame]

8. Somebody shoot me.

This isn't fucking America. It's an Orwell scenario. A journalist was just likened to Hezbollah for not falling in line with the Retard Prince's marching orders. And what's worse, we're not shocked any more!!!

[Cobalt-60]

47. Baiting

It was one thing for the GOPs of the past to insinuate that someone was a Communist. After all, anyone could join the Sickle and Hammer club .
But to suggest that an American reporter is somehow an agent of Hezzbollah? Really.
It's contemptably weak gambit, lower in effectiveness than an Archie Bunker Rasberry.
While he rates replacement for such a remark, I hope they keep him.
Every bit of GOP ass displayed to the public moves them that much faster out of power.

[Beaverhausen]

9. "...the V.N. — the U.N., whatever it is"

What the heck is that?

[karlrschneider]

12. He mumbled something about being in Germany too long...

:wtf:

I guess he got V confused with W (as W is usually prounounced as the English V in German...Wagner sounds like "Vogner")

But who the hell knows what kinds of synaptical misfiring goes on between
his ears...?

[gatorboy]

17. It's the type of arrogance that caused 9/11 is what it is.

That "I don't give a shit attitude" towards the rest of the planet that eventually gets us bit in the ass. Idiots.

[madokie]

11. snow cock uses the same delivery as limptool does

its not obvious who he listens to for his news geeeze

[whistle]

14. Josef Goebbels Propaganda 101, lie through your teeth and never

...concede a point to the general public.

The United States blocked an Arab-backed resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first U.N. Security Council veto in nearly two years.

The draft, sponsored by Qatar on behalf of other Arab nations, accused Israel of a “disproportionate use of force” that endangered Palestinian civilians, and demanded Israel withdraw its troops from Gaza. The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, while Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia abstained.

<snip>
UN Security Council Veto Power
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The UN Security Council Veto Power is a veto power wielded solely by the 5 permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, enabling them to void any Security Council resolution regardless of the level of general support. This power is exercised when any permanent member enters a "nay" vote. (An abstention vote will allow the measure to pass).

Those five powers are:
China (ROC/PRC;
France;
Russia/USSR;
United Kingdom;
United States.

The numbers of vetoes used by each of those powers in the history of the UN have been:
China (ROC/PRC), 5 vetoes;
France, 18;
Russia/USSR, 122;
United Kingdom, 32;
United States, 80.

The numbers of vetoes used since 1984 have been:
China, 2;
France, 3;
Russia/USSR, 4;
United Kingdom, 10;
United States, 42.

<link> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Council#Veto_power

[Botany]

15. What a horrid man .... Our first Freeper Press Sec.

How dare Ms. Thomas ask a question @ a press conference.


BTW Tony did post and blog on Free Republic.

[Tin Man]

16. What a tool. More haughty than even Snotty Scotty.

:eyes:

[Quantess]

66. Scotty was a sycophantic dork, but,

Tony Snow's attitude is unprofessional and unbecoming.

[RobertSeattle]

18. MEMO TO TONY: You aren't on Right Wing Talk Radio Anymore

What a jerk.

[ClintonTyree]

40. He went from the frying pan directly into the fire..........

from FUX News and their ceaseless parroting of the White House propaganda directly to the White House Ministry of Propaganda itself where he can CREATE it! What a move up for Tony the Twit. :puke:

[Marie26]

19. What a jerk.

She's Lebanese. He's got no right to demean her that way.

[Supersedeas]

25. this kind of crap needs to be EXPOSED by her Media collegues

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

44. Wow, I didn't know she was Arabic - that IS pretty low of Snow

[tblue37]

49. Not just Arabic--but of Lebanese descent,

so it was even more insulting.

On the other hand, Snow is genuinely stupid and uninformed. My guess is that he didn't know about her Lebanese background, just as Bush didn't realize the reporter with the shades was blind.

[me b zola]

51. I bet he did know that she is of Lebanese decent

That is just how nasty and hateful bush*co is.

[Binka]

58. He Knew! Fascists Are Malignant Cancers! He Knew!

Hey Snow "hope your cancer comes back!" And no I am not kidding. Fucking freak should be dead!

[tinfoil tiaras]

21. FREAK. nt.

[warrens]

22. What a smug little punk

The people dying in Lebanon may even like and admire Hezbollah, but they are not members. They are civilians. Israel is attacking at random, not even caring who dies.

[milkyway]

23. Snow is such a likeable fratboy, isn't he?

[RedStateShame]

24. It sure does take a lot of work to get rid of the pity you usually feel...

...for a cancer patient.

Then again, it took quite an effort to get rid of all that international post-9/11 support we had.

Heckuva job, Snowy.

[young_at_heart]

26. The country I have known for 67 years is, evidently, no more!

It just doesn't feel like the USA I've known for so long.

[underpants]

27. Crooks and Liars LINK

No video yet (they are moving slow over there today too) but it is coming for those of us who won't install Quicktime
http://www.crooksandliars.com/

White House too
http://www.whitehouse.gov/#

[coalition_unwilling]

28. If the WH press corps had any fucking shred of self-respect left,

they's unanimously demand Snow's resignation for such a blatantly racist comment. If said demand wasn't met, they'd announce a unanimous boycott of all future WH press events. That's the only kind of language the Christian fascists understand.

[DemoTex]

29. Snow, smirking at Helen, "I know this is great entertainment, .."

It is obvious that Snow doesn't take Helen or war seriously. I think it's time for her to scald his balls.


These little Chickenhawks should be required to take this ride at least twice a day.

[Binka]

57. Mac Snow Doesn't Have Any Balls

She needs to send him a bag of depends for the numerous times he has already shit his drawers. Like the time in your photo!

[goclark]

62. That photo is the real SnowBall, scared as hell and a BULLY

in front of the cameras ~ arrogant!

[bloom]

30. Hezbollah might have a valid viewpoint

But you wouldn't know it in this country.

Hezbolla is vilified over "hundreds" of deaths (since the 1980s - http://www.aipac.org/NER/050806/armedAndDeadly.cfm ). The Israelis are responsible for thousands (and for "hundreds" just since last week). As long as Hezbolla is seen as evil and Israel (and the US) is seen as good - then Israel and the US can bomb the hell of whomever and claim self-defense. Even if it's a lie.

And the US is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq - and people in the military brag about them (Oh- but that was "self-defense" - and besides - when you have a big enough military - you can kill whomever you want - and it's ok :eyes: )


Does anyone actually think that the people in Hamas or Hezbolla have NO connection to the Palestinians - through friends or relatives? Like they are just anti-Israel for NO reason whatsoever - except that they HATE Jews or something. (Like the Iraqis in their country vs. the Americans - NO reasons to hate the US - and esp. the military - right?).

It seems to me that hatred is manufactured in the US against people who don't need to be our enemies. While people in Hamas or Hezbolla might have been taught that they are the victims - and to hate Israel - it's not like there are no reasons.

I guess what I'm saying is that _I_ have not been given a sufficient reason to hate Hezbolla. So I don't buy Snow's insult.

[TankLV]

43. How about because they're a TERRORIST organization?

That's sole purpose is the distruction of the State of Israel.

Says it right in their "charter".

But go ahead, live in a fantasy where the CRIMINALS are seen as just and good.

[PegDAC]

46. Both Hezbollah and Hamas

have recently (within the last two weeks) acknowledged the right of Israel to exist. I remember seeing the news article. Do you consider over 200 Lebanese dead a proportional response to 2 kidnapped and 8 dead Israeli soldiers?

[Alameda]

67. Both Hezbollah and Hamas.....

There were some sounds regarding a recognition of the right of Israel to exist. Exactly how true those were and the extent of the precise details are fuzzy.

Traditionally neither Hamas or Hezbullah have recognized the right of Israel to exist. In fact their goal seems to be the establishment of an "Islamic" khalifat based on their interpretation of what that means.

As you most probably would not like a "Christian Fundamentalist" regime here in the US, do you support an "Islamic" one someplace else?

Please read the charter of Hamas...

http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

Hezbullah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

[Rude Horner]

31. He doesn't even act official or distinguished

He acts like a little child who is two seconds away from taking his ball and going home because he's frustrated.

What a total putz.

[Binka]

59. This Whole Administration Is In The Fucking Second Grade

My five year old has 100x the savvy and class of these assholes. They make the White House look like fucking CLOWN COLLEGE!

[AndyA]

32. I feel a lot of hatred toward Snow because of his horrendous comment

to Helen Thomas. Snow was way out of line, and at the very least he owes Helen an apology for that remark.

[Ringo84]

33. That son of a bitch!

Calling a reporter that because she dared to ask a question? That pisses the shit out of me. There's no excuse for that kind of discourse - I don't care what kind of threats are being posed to our country.
Ringo

[symbolman]

34. Hey SNOW

Feel like a BIG MAN, beating up on a Little Old Lady? POS..

Happen to notice that she's TEN TIMES BIGGER and SMARTER THAN YOU?

If I had been in that room I would have kicked his ass, SS or no SS, this is Bullshit, and he's a PUNK.

If the White House Press Corps had ANY balls they'd refuse to enter that room until Snow proffered a FULL APOLOGY to a woman they should be building STATUES for In DC. I got to meet her once, hold her little hand, like dove in mine, and looking into those eyes, still sharp as a tack..

She's my Heroine and like I said, Snow, you talk that trash to my gal in front of me and you'll be wondering where the REST of your COLON went to..

As Hunter Thompson once said to his editor, that he'd like to "kill that bastard, Nixon.." and the Editor said, "Hunter, YOU can't Talk that way! You'll be arrested for threatening the President.. it's one thing to write a metaphor, but no direct threats.."

So Hunter replied, "Oh, so it's okay for me to say, 'I'd Like to see Nixon's intestines wrapped around a Phone Booth..'?"

"Sure.." the editor replied. :)

[bullwinkle428]

35. Well, according to She-Beast, Helen's just an "old Arab" anyway...

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:
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[Forrest Greene]

36. Another Quote From Dr. Thompson Also Comes To Mind

...which is that "Punks like that just get in the way when they try to be serious."

The stenographic corps should have at least booed & hissed.

[NoAmericanTaliban]

37. Snow Job sure danced around the getting Americans evacuated questions

He had more excuses than Carter has liver pills. Thought he was going to cry - Its hard work!

Wish someone had asked him why the French, Italians, and others have been evacuating their and US citizens.

What we have here is some more Katrina competency at work. Trying to do things on the cheap and then having the nerve to charge US citizens.

:mad:

[Peanutcat]

38. Just another Bush administration official

Showing the world how classy he is.

[eppur_se_muova]

39. No more than half a step removed from an ethnic slur.

Given Bu**sh**'s behavior at the G8 summit and this performance by Snowjob, how long do you think it will be before we start hearing blatant racist epithets from the podium?

[Binka]

61. Any Minute Now n/t

[pdxmom]

41. Well, the administration got exactly what they paid for with this one.

Someone who has no compunction about standing in front of the world, delivering lies and ad hominem attacks to keep the hate and fear alive. Un-freakin-believable that this is allowed to happen by the mouthpiece of the supposed "leader of the free world".

What an asswipe.

[chimpymustgo]

42. Racist pig. The the rest of the media stick to the script.

Thanks to leftchick who originally posted this link. It is a MUST READ.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stan-goff/the-pword_b_251...

- snip -

But we seldom hear of this theft, or of the massive theft of Palestinian water. The US press has been so thoroughly intimidated by Zionist publicist/attack dogs, who bait every critic of Israel as an anti-Semite, that they have developed journalistic norms with regard to Palestine-Israel that completely support the Zionist position.

Robin C. Miller's book "The Media's Middle East Rules of Engagement" is a good primer on how this works, listing ten "rules" that are scrupulously followed and giving examples of each.

Rule 1: See the Middle East through Israeli eyes.
Rule 2: Treat American and Israeli governmental statements as hard news.
Rule 3: Ignore the historical context.
Rule 4: Avoid the fundamental legal and moral issues posed by the Israeli occupation.
Rule 5: Suppress or minimize news unfavorable to the Israelis.
Rule 6: Muddy the waters when necessary.
Rule 7: Credit all Israeli claims, even if wholly unfounded.
Rule 8: Doubt all Palestinian assertions, no matter how self-evident.
Rule 9: Condemn only Palestinian violence.
Rule 10: Disparage the international consensus supporting Palestinian rights.

There is an eleventh rule that hovers over all the other rules. Equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. This shuts everyone up. That's why it is so critically important that this Eleventh Rule be challenged loudly and clearly and frequently. Anti-Zionism is NOT anti-Semitism. Zionism is not Judaism. Not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews. The point is that Zionism raises many questions about what constitutes Jewishness. Israeli Jews are largely secular, so it cannot be called a strictly religious category.

-snip-

[Rex]

45. Snowman is the perfect racist for Bush/Cheney.

Sad times.

[flyarm]

48. AND WE DIDN'T EXPECT THIS FROM FAUX FUCK??

A POX ON HIS HOME..ohh he did the cancer thing..didn't he..i can not wish for a remission...nope i just can't..

fly

[PatriotMom]

50. TONY SNOW IS A FREAKIN IDIOT n/t

[Canuckistanian]

54. Even if he did discredit her (which he didn't)

What a coup, what a victory, what a vindication, defeating a senior citizen, a veteran, an icon of the journalism world, part of the WH press corps since Jack Kennedy....

He should be proud.

[Binka]

60. His Mother Probably Baked Him A Cake

And ironed his best white sheet for the party (all pointy in that special way.)

[Nothing Without Hope]

63. ***VIDEO*** Crooks & Liars has it - LINK:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/18/tony-snow-and-helen-thomas-thank-you-for-the-hezbollah-view/

This Crooks & Liars link has the video in both QuickTime and in Windows Media. (Think Progress has the video as well.)

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. In fact, ISRAEL'S USING US-PROVIDED ARMAMENTS THIS WAY IS ILLEGAL

UNDER US LAW:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1668742
Thread title (July 18, 2006): "Israel Violates Law on U.S. Weapons in Mideast"

Naturally, the Chimperor will declare that law invalid, but in fact, it exists and is very clear. What Israel is doing with armaments and war planes paid for by US taxpayers is blatantly, unquestionably ILLEGAL, a point which is being igored by almost everyone. People who say "what can we do, it's THEIR fight" are wrong in so many ways.