Breathtakingly disturbing. Israeli children signing missiles?

[shance]

Kids writing messages on bombs before they're dropped over Palestinian/Lebanese villages.

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/07/israeli-children-sign-their-missiles_18.html

[blonndee]

1. bad link n/t

[shance]

2. Apologies. It's fixed now.

n/t

[malaise]

3. I saw American armed forces doing the same

on war ships before they destroyed Iraq. The kids are just learning from others. They all personify a nasty creeping evil called hatred of those not like them. Humankind has learnt nothing in centuries.

[HereSince1628]

24. It's a tradition in the military and munitions factories during wars

but I've no recollection of this being done by children. Which isn't to say that it doesn't happen.

[malaise]

29. There is no war against Iraq

there was an invasion and an occupation. The military guys were using markers to write on rockets and bombs on warships in the Persian Gulf.

I didn't know about the munitions factory bit - thanks for that. I agree it is disgusting to watch all the children being brainwashed with hate on all sides.

[Double T]

4. war just got a whole lot UGLIER!!!!!!

[laylah]

5. We are not born knowing hate,

we are taught it from those around us! :cry:

[mhr]

36. So True, But My Feelings Toward Bush Are Those Of HATE!

He has and continues to destroy this country and the Freepers are his enablers among others.

[Poll_Blind]

6. There are, ahem, some aspects of Israeli culture which may...

...be a little difficult, to put it charitably, for an American (especially a Liberal or Progressive) to understand or, further, agree with. Their nation and society are the victims of 20+ years of hardline conservative politics and governments. The religious right in their country, if researched, shows little difference from the Islamist clerics whom all Americans should fear. While there are many Liberals and Progressives in Israel there are an equal or, unfortunately, larger number of very conservative people who are blind to the actions of their government, who will give the nod (and in fact the salute) to what their government does in the name of stopping the very real terror that Israeli citizens face every day.

  I'm sure that if American children were as close to the front lines as Israeli children are, it is likely that there would be scores upon scores of American parents bringing their children, as if to a picnic or a parade, to sign the artillery shells we use in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  The fact that America pays billions to Israel to buy weaponry does not make these facts any less irritating to an American taxpayer, though.

PB

[shance]

11. This isn't Israeli culture. It's a consequence of what the wealthy

privileged war profiteers have created through their glorious wars.

This is what war is teaching kids. To hate others they don't know and to divide people so that wars can continue and the profiteers can continue on their money making sprees.

[Poll_Blind]

14. There are, indeed, some aspects of Israeli culture just like there...

...are some aspects of American culture, which find any military action patriotic and admirable on an almost religious level. Further complicating this matter is that there exist many ultra-conservative communities which exist as echo chambers unto themselves. I guess the closest you would get for an example in America are some small, hyper-conservative towns which pock the otherwise beautiful countryside. Still, it's very difficult to come up with an analogy, for instance, to an Ultra-orthodox Shas/Likud-voting kibbutz in American life. Or some of the concepts that the children are raised with and on.

PB

[madeline_con]

15. "... is likely that there would be scores upon scores of American...

... parents bringing their children, as if to a picnic or a parade, to sign the artillery shells we use in Iraq and Afghanistan."

That does not make it all o.k. to be that stupuid and hateful, and to pass the hate on to your kids.

[Poll_Blind]

20. Oh, no I agree it is stupid and hateful in the least. It did just seem...

...worth noting that this sort of scene is indicative of elements in both cultures which raise a new generation of biological war heads.

PB

[madeline_con]

26. Gotcha...

:hi:

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. Excellent Post. n/t

[fishnfla]

7. and the islamists have kids cartoons portraying Jews as apes

gotta keep the hate going here.....

[whistle]

8. Until now you have been a child. If you misbehaved.....

... you did not have to bear the responsibility

<snip>
A quotation from the Führer: "We want a hard generation that is strong, reliable, loyal obedient and decent, so that we do not need to be ashamed." (Spoken by a uniformed political soldier, for example an S.A. Man, an SS Man, or a political leader.)

Music:

(a song)

1. HJ Speaker :

Young people stand here
On the threshold of their lives.
A brief drum roll.

2. HJ Speaker:

We enter joyfully
Through the open door.
We face our fate courageously,
For while fate defeats the cowardly,
God helps the brave!
Drum roll.

3. HJ Speaker:

We the youth are the bridge
From ancestors to grandchildren.
A song

"Now let the banners fly..."

(First the tune is played. The words are available in the Schulungsbrief , February 1938, p. 45.)
<more>
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/jufeier.htm

[chimpymustgo]

9. Breathtakingly disturbing. No better words. Sad and disturbing.

And really wrong for grown-ups to be indoctrinating children that way.

[Ian David]

23. Sad, disturbing, but understandable.Those bombs are saving the kid's lives

By going out to blow-up the rockets aimed at their own homes.

It's no more perverse than putting a yellow ribbon on your car to "Support the troops" or "Christening" a war ship.

Those children signing those bombs... their lives are in danger, too.

It's sad that ANY child-- on either side-- has to be in that situation.

[Supersedeas]

30. Understandable???

[Ian David]

31. Women used to tie kerchiefs on the lances of knights riding into battle...

It's human nature.

Unfortunately, so is war.

Welcome to my ignore list.



The little Hammas kids... they blow-up-- I mean, GROW-up-- so fast!


Baby bomber picture sparks new war of words
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 29/06/2002)

A furious row has erupted between the Israelis and Palestinians over the release by the Israeli army of a startling photograph showing a Palestinian five-month-old child dressed up as a suicide bomber.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/06/29/wmid29.xml

[fooj]

44. "Welcome to my ignore list"...

not that it is any of my business but it certainly doesn't take much, does it?

Put someone on "ignore" because they ask a question. Wow. Just wow.

I suppose I'll be next on the list...

Oh well.

[Ian David]

46. Sorry, that wasn't meant for you...

I copied/pasted the image links together from a previous message, not realizing that "welcome to my ignore list" was still in there.

Please accept my apologies.

[Voltaire99]

67. Yes, it's a "big tent" until the sacred cows are gored.

Then it's just another meatpacking plant.

Personally, I'm quite content to ignore and be ignored; life is too short for proto-fascists.

[burythehatchet]

48. HO-LY SHIT

It's posts like yours that convince me that my feelings about this issue are pretty well researched and thought out. Damn.

[Voltaire99]

66. Welcome to mine.

A most useful button.

[Zhade]

49. So...the bomb that killed the Canadian family saved Israeli lives?

Are you REALLY sure you want to go with that argument, when it's so clearly flawed and wrong?

Or are you suggesting that ALL Lebanese people desire the deaths of Israelis? Pretty racist viewpoint, so I hope not.

[Cocoa]

10. stunning

and surprising to me.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. Teach them to hate while they are young....

And you insure that the next three generation will continue the hate.

This goes far beyond any excuse for "Israel has a right to defend itself."

[slackmaster]

41. Hezbollah is teaching them some important lessons as well

You can't trust your neighbors, and Arabs want to wipe you off the face of the Earth.

[shance]

43. Who are teaching their children to write "with love" on missiles?

n/t

[slackmaster]

53. The previous generation of Israelis, obviously

But if there hadn't been any attacks by Hezbollah, there wouldn't be any missiles to write on.

[Ian David]

13. Well, at least they're not WEARING them...

The little Hammas kids... they blow-up-- I mean, GROW-up-- so fast!


Baby bomber picture sparks new war of words
By Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem
(Filed: 29/06/2002)

A furious row has erupted between the Israelis and Palestinians over the release by the Israeli army of a startling photograph showing a Palestinian five-month-old child dressed up as a suicide bomber.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/06/29/wmid29.xml

[T Town Jake]

16. Excellent point.

(n/t)

[madeline_con]

18. That's certainly a stupid generalization! eom

[Tin Man]

37. This is precisely why the US needs to get the hell out of the Midde East

Babies dressed as suicide bombers, and children signing artillery rounds... Let's face, Palestine is an intractable madhouse - it's been like that for centuries, and it ain't gonna stop anytime soon.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

39. that's the only plan that makes sense these days...nt

[PA Democrat]

52. "The little Hammas kids... they blow-up-- I mean, GROW-up-- so fast!"

Is that supposed to be funny? Sorry, but I find people teaching hatred to children on BOTH sides completely disgusting and can find absolutely no humor in it.

[Snivi Yllom]

68. says a lot about the culture doesn't it

they love death

[Rex]

17. Why are they writing in English?

Was a Fauxnews mediawhore around to take pictures?

[madeline_con]

19. So the whole world can read it. n/t

[Poll_Blind]

22. So the Americans in Lebanon can read the "incoming" Israeli messages? n/t

PB

[IronLionZion]

60. Israelis know English too

Why would they write it in Hebrew? It's not meant for other Israelis to read.

Someone suggested they were spent shells that hit Israel. I don't know what spent or live shells look like. It just looks like a bad idea for kids to be around bombs.

[leftchick]

21. more future cannon fodder

for the Israeli war machine. It is called conditioning.

[DELUSIONAL]

25. There's a song about needing to start the hate early

meaning this is learned behavior.

Empathy for others is also learned.

[shance]

32. Good points.

n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

72. you've got to be taught to hate and fear, you've got to be taught

From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

Rogers and Hammerstien from .... ? South Pacific???

[shance]

27. There is an organization of women called coalitionofwomen.org

It's a coalition of women from both Palestine and Israel working to bring more connection and peace between Israeli and Palestine women/citizens.

I think much if not most of the peace will have come from women. We are not creating these wars, it is apparent it is overtestosteroned men who are.

However, its time for women and men of compassion and human decency to come together in an international capacity to stop a minority of men from eroding all that is good and decent in our world.

[okieinpain]

28. yep saw that great way to raise a child. but of course if it was the

other way around it would be the great evil ones......

[gully]

33. Sad, and some muslim children strap bombs to their waist.

:(

[shance]

34. I haven't seen information on such occurences involving Muslim children

However, nothing would surprise me at this point.

Whenever children are being exploited and used, its abusive and wrong across the board.

[gully]

50. Absolutely. Here is more info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bomber



A Palestinian girl wears toy explosive belt on the bookcover of Dying to Kill: The Allure of Suicide Terror by Mia Bloom.

[Fridays Child]

35. Sickening beyond words.

[elehhhhna]

38. wtf are they writing? "never forget"?

god weeps.

[shance]

42. Simply what they have been taught.

n/t

[elehhhhna]

47. what heartless, hopeless parent teaches their child this?

I really truly do not get it.

[slackmaster]

54. A parent who has never felt safe in his or her entire life

Because of constant attacks by their Arab neighbors.

[elehhhhna]

59. I think that's a two way street. I'd vote with my feet, personally.

imo israel was a great idea, on paper. Now it's just a failed experiment.

[slackmaster]

61. I think the present episode dooms Israel to another generation of conflict

It's very sad. On just a few occasions in my life I had hope that people could work things out in the ME, only to have that hope destroyed by a sudden outbreak of tit-for-tat skirmishes like this.

[elehhhhna]

62. Rockhead should send carter & clinton. Even James (evil) Baker.

Condi's not up for this one.

[Bluerthanblue]

71. no, a parent who has

become 'the enemy'-

"your hate becomes YOU"-

[Straight Shooter]

40. From the same site, the caption: "Lebanese received the gifts."

There will be no words written, no words spoken, when all are in their silent graves.

[Pachamama]

51. Hate gets passed on generation to generation...their parents must be so

proud!

This image just makes me want to cry even harder for what is happening in Israel/Lebanon/Palestine...

Because they are the next generation and our world needs peacemakers, not warmakers...

:cry:

PS: This is child abuse....for all the children!

[Mir]

55. Disturbing - perhaps

Surprising - not at all.

[DanCa]

56. Forget a gun I want a bomb

More fire power and less accuracy :sarcasm:

[spanone]

57. This is how you pass hate on from generation to generation.

Utterly disgusting.

[deaniac21]

58. Those are artillery shells.

[MallRat]

63. You often find the most strident Israelis in the towns along the border.

Looking for centrist Jews in Kiryat Shmona is a little like looking for liberal atheists in Provo, Utah. The border towns don't attract people from the left or middle of the Israeli political spectrum.

I can just about guarantee that the majority of Israelis living in Tel Aviv would find this photo appalling.

-MR

[Tesha]

64. Here's another picture, this one from the SF Chron's "DIP"...

[Xenotime]

65. I think I'm going to be sick....don't they know better...

How would they feel if they were on the receiving end?

[Voltaire99]

69. One of the ghastliest symbols of our funding Israeli aggression.

How gratifying to know our tax dollars are paying for another generation of state terrorists.

I won't be voting for any U.S. politician who rubberstamps this barbarism.

[Purveyor]

70. Raise 'em right....hate from the start! n/t