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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:32 PM
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My Georgia voting experience
You know you can't make up stuff as good as this!!

I showed up to vote. At the time I was the only one in line. So I had the full attention of FIVE poll workers. I filled out my form, checked Democratic as my ballot choice, had that form checked and double checked, and asked to move to station number 2. The form was scrutinized once more, and then my information entered into a DIEBOLD touch screen. They were quite proud of their new touchscreen systems for logging people in. They handed me my card, I walked over to the Diebold voting machine, inserted my card. The screen that came up had Sonny Perdue in the first box. Ok, I thought that can't be right, I asked for a Democratic ballot. I backed out to the main screen and tried again. Again a Republican name came up.

I called over a Poll Worker who looked at me slack jawed and did not understand the problem. I tell him THREE TIMES I asked for a Democratic ballot. He then told me I was lucky a Diebold rep was there to watch the proceedings. Lucky me..... Mr Diebold came over and touched some screens, and then took my card out. Back to the poll worker desk we went.

The poll worker that had entered my information, who turned out to be the poll manager, looked at me in disbelief when I told her that she gave me a Republican ballot when I had asked for a Democratic one. She had to check my form, I guess to make sure I wasn't lying to her. She just stared at me, like I had two heads. She then told me that all she had entered all day were Republican requests so SHE JUST ASSUMED...I pointed out that she had two piles of forms, one with Republican boxes checked the other with Democratic boxes checked. Again the slack jawed look. By this time Mr Diebold has had to call someone for a secret code to get into the system to negate my "vote" and re-issue me a ballot.

I asked for a paper ballot and was told that no paper ballots were available. I asked to speak to the poll manager about that, only to find out that the woman who had entered me as a Republican, was the poll manager. I pushed the issue and she told me she did not issue paper ballots, and that I had technically already voted. I told her entering the card into the PAPERLESS, FRAUD RIDDEN machine did not make a vote. I don't think she liked my response.

I asked how the system would know I had already voted if my votes were to be secret and anonymous. Another slack jawed look, although one of the poll workers not involved in this was very amused. She winked at me once or twice, She was definitely on myside in this. Probably a rogue Democrat in the group! haha Anyway...I asked again if my votes were some how listed under my name. Again no answer or even a look of comprehension. By now Mr Diebold has his code, and has SUPPOSEDLY negated my Republican vote and re-entered me as a Democrat.

So now I don't know what to do in November. Do I vote absentee and risk my vote not being counted? Do I vote in advance and wonder if it counts? Can I get a paper ballot? Any suggestions would be helpful.

By the way the Democratic pile of forms was impressive! So for you North Fulton Georgia Democrats...GOOD JOB!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:35 PM
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1. Vote absentee
only way you know how you vote. And DEMAND that ALL votes be counted.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:39 PM
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2. Good for you, way to raise your voice.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:44 PM
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3. Note that it was a Republican PERSON blocking your vote. That's
their first action in their strategy.

The machine problems are for later, if somehow UNDESIRABLE voters get through.

There are many layers in the GOP "Block the Vote" strategy.

Develop databases for purging based on incomplete, incorrect, and non-specific personal information.

PURGE every voter you can that might be a Democrat or might vote for a Democrat.

Prevent people from voting at the polling place by challenging their eligibility.

Prevent people from voting by giving them the wrong ballot.

Program (or hack) the machine to mis-record votes.

Program (or hack) the machine(s) to incorrectly total.

etc.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:46 PM
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4. Yep, blank looks, slack jaw. She's a repuke all right.
Takes after her hero, the Chimperor.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 07:53 PM
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5. Thanks for posting this. K/R
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:15 PM
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6. Get out of Georgia?
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lithiumbomb Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:02 AM
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21. uh,
Isn't that like people telling us to move to canada? :shrug:
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 02:16 AM
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23. You say that like moving to Vancouver would be a bad thing.

I guess I'm urban by nature. The prospect of living in Georgia doesn't hold much allure for me, I'm afraid. Brutal summers and the high redneck per-capita ratio is where the state loses my interest completely.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 03:28 PM
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44. How does that saying go?
Ignorance is bliss?
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teriyaki jones Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:17 PM
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7. Everyone should see this. K&R n/t
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:18 PM
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8. Write a letter to the editor.
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:20 PM
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9. Good idea!
I'll get that out tomorrow. I also thought I would write a complaint to whoever oversees voting, Secretary of State, I think. And our Sec of State is running for Governor as a Democrat! Although she was the one that let Diebold in...
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:21 PM
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10. It is the Sec of State in our state.
I assume that'd be appropriate in Georgia too.
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:08 AM
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33. can you write it as an open letter?
I mean address it to the Sec of State and send it, but call it an open letter and send it to the newspapers and web sites as well.

Steph
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:28 PM
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11. Protest in the streets! Its all we've got!
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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:31 PM
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12. I am starting to worry that they can count the absentee ballot to determin
e just how many they are going to have to steal. Great report. Very amusing and horrifying. Thanks to God for that winking lady, otherwise you would feel so alooooooooooooone in the world.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:35 PM
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13. Yes vote absentee and YES they can match your name to the vote
which means we could all SUE and get rid of these goddamned machines for lack of privacy!!!!!!!!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:36 PM
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18. SUE - DIEBOLD ALLOWS YOU TO MATCH A PERSON TO A VOTE
ILLEGAL
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:44 PM
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14. I honestly think this was just idiocy rather than malice.
I'm not defending Republican tactics but I think in this case it may have been simple idiocy rather than malice (not that that makes it any better). Why would they try to suppress the Democratic vote during a primary?

What does bother me is that Diebold has a code that can be used to nullify votes. This highlights a major problem with machine voting: what happens if a mistake occurs through no fault of the voter? If you don't have a method for correcting the mistake then that voter gets screwed. If you do have a method then that method is a security hole which can be used to manipulate the vote.

We need to get rid of these machines.
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lithiumbomb Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:07 AM
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22. seconded
Sloppiness, lack of training, lack of brains, etc. on the part of the polling place, but no intended vote supression, in this case. IMO.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:17 AM
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40. Suppress it so the numbers can't be used later.
"50,000 people voted in the Democratic primary, but the candidate that 40,000 of them voted for only received 5,000 votes in the general election total."

Some people find stuff like that suspicious. :eyes:
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:20 PM
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43. Depends upon how detailed their databases are.
"Why would they try to suppress the Democratic vote during a primary?"

If they have a means of filtering out liberal Dems from those who would vote for DINOs, for example, or if they were targeting an individual congresswoman that they wanted to remove from office, there would be merit for them to meddle in the primaries.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:59 PM
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15. I still fail to understand how in the Hell
Re-running a computer tabulation actually complies with recount laws.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 09:05 PM
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16. It doesn't. n/t
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:28 PM
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17. This is unbelievable!!
What kind of democracy do we have if we can't vote and be assured that our vote will be counted correctly??

Diebold should not be allowed within a mile of a polling place.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:40 PM
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19. What is a slack jawed look?****
nm
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:56 AM
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24. Hmmmmm. You ain't from around here are you? n/t
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:33 AM
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28. Haha...nt
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:37 AM
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30. Slack jawed!
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stephinrome Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:10 AM
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34. self delete
Edited on Wed Jul-19-06 09:10 AM by stephinrome
note to self - read the entire thread before posting next time
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 11:43 PM
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20. Thanks for this
Its what's wrong with America. All our big problems can be laid at the feet of how our votes have been F'ed with. Unfortunately, if the dem party doesn't stand up and take notice of the real stories like your's, the dems will be history with no repeat.

Time to raise hell!

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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:01 AM
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25. I had no problem voting here in Cherokee County.
I filled out the form, checked Democrat and Democrat ballot came up on screen.
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:35 AM
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29. Did you have the new screens
that the poll workers used to log you in? It was entirely the fault of the poll worker. She logged me in as Repub, which was NOT what I checked on the form. My issue was not the error so much as the inability or unwillingness for the poll workers to try to make it right. They would have been perfectly happy for me to just walk off.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:43 AM
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31. I don't know if they were new screens.
The only screen the poll worker used was to verify my identity.
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 07:12 AM
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32. Those are the ones
My poll no longer had your name in a paper list, it was in a computer database. This is where the error was made, the worker found my name in the computer list, put the card in that I was to take to the voting machine, and then punched me in as a Republican. This experience does NOT instill confidence in me for November.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:15 AM
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26. Contact Mexico
They know what to do down there...
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:20 AM
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27. What a frightening post.
It sounds like a preview for November. How can we win when they have power over the machines?
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caseymeri Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:47 AM
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35. This happened to someone I know
This happened to someone I know but they requested a republican ballot and got a democrat one. I'm sure these are not isolated cases. Thank you for writing about this :)
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:27 AM
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36. KICK
:argh:
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:30 AM
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37. I didn't have the best Georgia voting experience
either. First, my polling place had changed from an elementary school to a Catholic Church. And there were few signs up. I was running, literally, into the church right before 7pm. Couldn't find the place to vote. No signs. I finally found a janitor to ask who told me I needed to go to another building. There, I voted in the basement with the very surly poll workers watching over me like I was a criminal because I just scraped in under the 7pm deadline. They wouldn't let the guy who came in right after me vote - even though the doors were still open.
My co-worker showed up at his polling place to find out his 4th district (Cynthia McKinney's district - same as mine) had been changed to the 6th district. And had JUST changed - he was in the 4th last week. Now, without moving, he's in the 6th.
Imagine that.
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recovering democrat Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:01 AM
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38. Another GA voter
I voted in Clayton County and had no problem with the ballot or machine. I had decided to do this in the primary instead of voting absentee because a friend told me they were doing receipts - in checking I found that was not done state-wide but only as a test basis in a few locations.

I did say something about verified paper ballots to each and every poll worker I encountered. One agreed with me, and the rest just laughed. I said they were laughing now, but it was sad, and they would not be laughing for long. I did vote for one of the SOS candidates who used this as a campaign issue, and several of them did so.

I am actually more worried about the lack of voter participation. Like you, the number of voters were overwhelmed by the number of poll workers. Sad. Taken in combination with the voting machine issues, I don't think it is either a Republican or Democrat issue - it is a blind spot on the part of Americans that "it can't happen here", too much confidence in our system.

BTW, I have seen and heard comments that Reed lost due to cross-over voters. Bull.... Democrats had a real serious primary with real serious candidates. His opponent, Cagle, ran a good and ugly campaign against Reed's involvement with lobbying and gambling interests. My polling site had lots of Democratic forms too.
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recovering democrat Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:17 AM
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39. Another perspective on Clayton County
Another perspective - while I had no problem directly at my own polling location, check this link out - there is evidence of a HUGE problem here.

quoted from the article: "All the polls in Clayton County had incorrectly coded “coder cards” - the cards needed to close out the computerized voting machines before the votes could be counted. The manufacturer accidentally sent what are believed to be last year’s cards, Bolia said. When the polls closed at 7 p.m., Tuesday, poll workers found that the computers would not read the cards and the machines would not close. The Board of Elections was notified immediately, and new cards were delivered to the polls in 30 minutes, Bolia said.

“That was not the delay,” Bolia said. “All of the locations had new cards in 30 minutes.”

He blames the configuration of the new tabulation center. The votes were having trouble getting into the building because it was the first time using the new location and because of the configuration of the location, Bolia said.

The problem wasn’t serious, he said, and was to be expected. They moved the vote counting to the new location because there wasn’t enough room in the old offices, he said.

Bolia said that he expected the results to be in “any time” Tuesday night, but had gone home for the night.


http://www.news-daily.com/homepage/local_story_200011945.html?keyword=leadpicturestory

By the way, Clayton County is predominately Democratic.

Yeah, sure.....

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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:19 AM
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41. I had no problems...
I left the "party" box blank by accident, and was reminded by the poll worker to fill it out. I checked "Democrat", got my card, put it in the machine. Democratic ballot. I changed my mind w/ respect to votes twice on the machine. No errors at any time.

I did ask one worker if there was paper backup on the machine. I got a scowl and a "no."

It would have been a perfectly fine experience if I had any faith that votes were recorded accurately by Diebold. I don't. But you know, the only thing I can do is to go vote, and report any irregularities that I see or hear.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:42 PM
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42. Don't you know it's just their God-Given Right as Republicans?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
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