So, why don't white people give black folks a pass like Israel gets?

[xultar]

Why are blacks in the US fighting for Affirmative action when we let Israel do what it wants.

Millions of blacks were killed during Slavery yet we have to fight for civil rights. Get hung, Get fired or killed for interracial dating.

Why can't we catch a break?

People still hunt us to this day. Blacks have been hung and drug behind trucks in recent years yet we can't catch a fuckin break.

Israel has a whole country and the US government has given them a pass to let them take care of their problem.

No one is helping in Sudan and Darfur. Is that cuz Africans are dying? Black folk. Negroes. NIGGAS?


Some one splain that to me please?

A sistah with an inquiring mind wants to fuckin know.

[BillZBubb]

1. I think you know...

It's rhetorical right?

[Catherine Vincent]

2. I like your style, xultar.

:hi:

[xultar]

35. I just wanted to say how I was feeling. I like your stye too Kitty G!

[progressivebydesign]

3. I'd love to know that, too.

Is there oil in Darfur or Sudan? That's the only explanation I can find as to why it's no big deal to people in Bush's little world.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. Actually, there's no oil in Israel, either. nt

[NoPasaran]

9. And ironically, there is oil in Sudan

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. I was just about to say that.

There IS oil there. I can't figure out why we are not 'bringing democracy' to them. Given the situation I could actually get behind that somewhat. Some better foreign policy mind will have to explain that to me.

[Truthiness Inspector]

58. I know why

and you could too if you looked at who has oil contracts there and blocks attempts to help them.

[blonndee]

61. Who, China?

http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=7165

[Occulus]

72. Wow, see, you ALL are SO behind the curve...

If you look here you'll see a way we could (hypothetically) turn human corpses into petrol products.

See? There's a little oil in us all!

only-half-:silly:, because in theory it's possible and I don't want to give anyone ideas....

[Warren DeMontague]

4. I think we should be helping in Sudan and Darfur.

I think it's morally inexcusable that the world is sitting back and letting that go on.

[Redstone]

13. Yep. Our government is just as bad about not being where we should be

as they are about being where they shouldn't be.

I mean, come the fuck on, what would it take to deal with those rageddy-ass motherfuckers who are killing those people in Darfur? One division?

And if they'd take me, I'd join up, even though I'm old and really beat up. I could drive a truck or something for them, though.

I bet that would be enough. But, no...we gotta piss away everything we have in Iraq.

Redstone

[Redstone]

6. As legitimate as your complaint may be, I have to tell you

that the two don't have the faintest thing to do with each other.

I know you're not going to like that, but hey, there it is.

I'm half Indian, but I wouldn't in a thousand years think of trying to compare the problems that Indians have with...Israel? It just doesn't make any sense.

Redstone

[jonnyblitz]

12. interesting.

I couldn't disagree more. but i am tired of arguing. :hi:

[Redstone]

18. Hey, you can disagree with me and not get an argument! You should

know that by now.

I respect whatever opinion you have, even if it doesn't agree with mine.

Redstone

[xultar]

16. Well you should. The revolutionists were terrorists against Britian.

And your people too.

[Redstone]

23. Sorry, I do not think that the Americans who fought the Revolution were

terrorists. And I don't think I'll change my mind about that.

Redstone

[WillyT]

31. The British Considered Them Terrorists...

And THEY were the world's super-power at the time.

:shrug:

[xultar]

40. DING DING DING. He who holds the power has the power to decide

who is a terrorist or not.

[Bluerthanblue]

43. and we DID fight

like terrorists-
Which is why we won.- That, and help from the French.

Against the worlds 'super-power'.

What about the US governments actions against the Native Americans? What about the lies and broken treaties, and stolen lands????

What about massacring, marginalizing, and very nearly completely destroying the existence of the original inhabitants of North America? Why? because 'we' were more 'powerful'.

There is a comparison to be made- and it isn't comfortable, or pleasant.
But it is reality.

[Redstone]

45. So, let me guess, you're going to tell me that Hezbollah are

"Freedom Fighters," and not terrorists?

If that's your intention, you may as well save your breath.

Contending that those assholes (who also killed a bunch of Americans) are "Freedom Fighters" is so disgusting as to be beneath contempt. I DO hope that's not what you're trying to say.

Redstone

[WillyT]

49. Dude... If THIS Country Were To Fall Into A TOTALLY Fascist State...

you and I would be freedom fighters, but "our" government would consider us terrorists!

You see how this game is played?

We'd be dead, or in prison, and most wouldn't care, because of our terrorist activities.

:shrug:

[Redstone]

52. But that does not mean our Continental Army soldiers were terrorists,

does it?

Redstone

[WillyT]

56. No... But Jefferson, Franklin, Washington...

To quote Franklin:

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

Stated at the signing of the Declaration of Independence (July 4, 1776) meaning that the rebels would either band together as Americans or be hanged individually at the gallows.

Link: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

And remember... the continental army started using tactics that they learned from the French - Indian War, namely hiding and shooting from behind a tree or rock instead of marching out into the middle of the field for volley after volley.

The british despised those tactics, which at the time were somewhat equivalent to terrorist tactics.

:shrug:

[Redstone]

57. But they were shooting at British soldiers. Not civilians.

And certainly not firing unguided rockets into cities.

I'm still astonished (and disgusted) at how many DUers seem to think it's OK for Hezbollah to do that.

Redstone

[WillyT]

60. I've Never Said That, And Please Don't Assume That I Think That !!!

I don't.

I'm of the "A Pox on Both Your Houses" theory, while wishing we could get the children out of there before they all get infected with this 3 or 4 THOUSAND year disease!

But it was the Germans (in modern times) with aircraft that first started targeting civilians to get that special "terror" effect.(Can't remember if it was WWI or WWII) And of course the people of Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki probably think we all have a lot of gall being horrified about targeting citizens, but... horrified I am.

:shrug:

[Redstone]

63. It was WW one, with the Zeppelin attacks on English cities.

I share your horror.

Damn, the wind's up, and the thunder is marching closer. Big Weather coming this way, so I have to sign off and shut everything down.

See you after the storm.

Redstone

[WillyT]

64. Good Luck My Friend, Be Safe...

Peace...

[Karenina]

7. GIRLFRIEND!!!

Do we REALLY wanna GO THERE with this bunch??? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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[Bluerthanblue]

29. there is no adequate

explanation- and I personally do believe there is reasonable room for comparison-

despite what 'feels' good- or fits the given agenda.

Your question screams for an answer.

I hope to hear a good one.

peace,
blu

[Swamp Rat]

10. LIEBLING!

DUUU!!! :hug:

[babylonsister]

8. Follow the money. Sorry, that's the best I can do.

Compassion and honoring all humanity doesn't enter into this current equation.

[jonnyblitz]

11. you aren't allowed to talk about this. you might get called names.

eom.

[xultar]

21. What are they gonna call me. A nigga? PUHLEEZ!

[jonnyblitz]

27. they will call ME the name for telling you...

I am FAG, xultar...so i am quite "popular" also..

[xultar]

34. Well I'm a nigga who loves fags baby!!!! Let's toast to that!!!

I'm sippin on my 4th glass of 7 deady Zins. Come on over. Bring whomever you want. And let's enjoy ourselves.

[jonnyblitz]

54. ha

I will toast you this way :smoke: since I don't drink. I don't do hangover's well. :hi:

[MarkDevin]

15. I don't think anyone has to explain it to you.

The treatment of African-Americans in this country is a loathsome disgrace that makes me ashamed to be an American.

[Catherine Vincent]

46. Welcome to DU, Mark D!

:hi:

[xultar]

50. Welcome to DU MarkDevin.

[Drum]

17. I will.

[Swamp Rat]

19. People of color are third class citizens in this uncivilised world system

Poor folk too.. but if you're poor AND black, you're FUCKED!

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Apples and Oranges

You really can't compare what is happening In Lebanon with what is happening here. Despite what people think, the US no more controls Israel, than Israel controls the US.

Or are you talking about Jews?

[xultar]

25. Please. The US and Israel are working together on this. For sure

the US is holding of international complaints to give Israel time to do what they feel they need to do.

All I'm sayin is why can't the US government give me time to do what I need to do. Instead of removing voting machines from black neibhborhoods, taking away affirmative action, allowing hate crime criminals to go free.

That's all I'm sayin. The US government backs Israel while it legislates against Blacks, Women and Gays.

I'm SICK OF IT.

[Behind the Aegis]

X, it is still 'apples and oranges.'

You are talking about the treatment of citizens and trying to compare the treatment of a political entity (the State of Israel). The US does not "bestow" rights on international bodies the same way it does or doesn't with its own citizenry.

There are many groups that don't give Israel a "pass." The international community certainly does not, nor are they doing a damn thing about Dafur.

[xultar]

30. Well that's how I see it. Sorry. You want me to think it is different.

I don't see how it can be.

Why can't Black South AFricans bomb Johannesburg? Blacks in South Africa were terrorised for GENERATIONS. So why can't they just bomb it and the US just tell them to do what they have to do.

What about Ethopia bombing the UN because the UN didn't help during the famine fast enough?

I HATE the US's foreign policy. I HATE IT.

I feel like my country is giving more flexibility to another country than it does to its own citizens.

[Behind the Aegis]

36. Foreign policy and domestic policy.

See, that was what I was getting at...you are trying to compare apples and oranges. Now, with what you said in the post I am replying to, that is a more valid comparison. To my recollection, the US did apply pressure to Apartheid South Africa. As for Ethiopia bombing the UN, I fail to see what the purpose of that would be. US foreign policy will almost always favor her allies, just like the foreign policies of Russia and China favor their allies. The one area that really should be doing something is Europe. They colonized Africa, devastated the native population, then, up and left.

[xultar]

41. I'm oppressed. I can't kill a racist bubba skinhead and neither can you.

How can the US allow another country to kill anyone they feel they need to to feel safe.

I don't feel safe in Forsyth County.

Can I just blow up some shit to kill the people who I feel want to kill me.

NO.

That is what I'm talking about here.

[Behind the Aegis]

47. I don't deny that you are an oppressed person.

You have two "strikes" against ya, you are African-American and a woman. If you were a lesbian, you could go for the trifecta!

I don't think the US is allowing Israel to do anything, anymore than any other country is allowing Israel to kill. The same could be said for the countries that "allow" groups and other nations to attack Israel.

I don't feel safe in Forsyth County! I lived in Oklahoma for 7 years, I didn't feel safe there either. New Orleans is much better, but there are still issues here as well!

"Can I just blow up some shit to kill the people who I feel want to kill me." X, that is a gross simplification of what is happening in that region!

Can you just randomly kill people? NO. Can you kill some asshole breaking into your house...YUP!

[Zhade]

62. "The same could be said for the countries that "allow" groups..."

So you agree that it's wrong for Israel to bomb Lebanon to get at Hezbollah, then?

After all, by your own analogy Lebanon isn't allowing Hezbollah to attack Israel and thus shouldn't be held accountable to the tune of hundreds of dead civilians.

[Behind the Aegis]

65. Although, this a thread jack...I will respond because it is you.

I don't agree with the level at which Israel has reacted. Since Hizb'allah is on Lebanese soil, the attacks on Lebanon were inevitable, IMO. They should have stuck to So. Lebanon. However, it is all so tricky because the leader, the coward that he is, was holed up in Beirut. Civilians should never have to bear the brunt of aggressive forces. And while Lebanon is not explicitly allowing Hizb'allah to attack, they are on their soil, and thereby do hold some responsibility. The same way Israel is responsible for settlers actions.

[Karenina]

38. One day I MAYdecide to confront you

as someone who has deep roots on both side of the abyss. But that won't be today as I am in SUCH a good mood having just returned from a FABULOUS concert. It's 5 a.m. here and I have to teach at 10, still totally wired from the music I heard tonight. The Israeli ambassador was there in the company of a dear friend. We exchanged a smile and a nod.

[Behind the Aegis]

48. Confront me on what?

I am glad you enjoyed the concert. Are you in Israel? That would explain the 7 hour difference...of course, you could be anywhere in that time zone. Get some rest.

[Bonobo]

22. I am truly confused by this.

What does Israel and there place in the geo-political spectrum have to do with your being a Black woman in America?

You have confused Israel with Jews and even worse, you have confused them with American Jews.

I have no idea what you are on about with this, but I think the post really speaks to your anger about the racism in this country, which is entirely justified IMO. It also sounds like you are angry that another persecuted minority in America has it better than Black Americans (also true).

But what does this have to do with Israel.

Or are you one of those that belive the Jewish Cabal is pulling all the strings in the USA?

[xultar]

28. The US is giving Israel a pass because of the Holocaust. Well Slavery

was a holocost for my people.

Why can't we catch a fucking break.

Nothing to do with Jews and Jewish. Plenty of people in this world have suffered tragedys. Why can't Ethopia do what they want. We let them practically die out in a famine?

What about the Blacks in South Africa. Why can't they just fuckin bomb the shit out of Johhanesburg and we just do a well...do what you gotta do move?

Splain that shit.

[Bonobo]

32. I am in total agreement about the injustice you speak of.

But why must you put your injustice up against Israel like that?

As you said, many suffer tragedies. But at whose hand? Blame imperialistic White people, but if you read your history, you will see that the Jews are not the ones that deserve the lion's share of the blame.

[xultar]

37. I'm not compairing the injustice. I'm comparing what's happend since then

Why are we as citizens of this country fighting to be considered equal when we give a pass to aallow another country to be aggressive against others?

Who is the US government to give permission for another country to attack another for a period of time to do as much damage to a country so they can feel safe.

I don't feel safe. Bubbas still act like racist pigs towards me. If I kill one of them will I get a pass.

FUCK NO!!!!

[Bonobo]

42. You live near bubbas? Maybe that's the problem.

Anyway, Israel does not need US's permission to make their own foreign policy.

Another thing, and I am in no way denying the existence of plenty o' racism here, is that maybe you should take the class war aspects of the world a bit more into consideration. Racism keeps the underclass divided against itself while rich white men steal everything under the sun.

[cboy4]

24. If there was a true problem in Sudan/Darfur/Africa....Condi would

have spoken up by now and the United States would be involved. :sarcasm:

There's no doubt in my mind we'd be coming to the rescue of the Negroes....just like we always do :eyes:

[IselaB]

26. Well, because in, like, ten billion ways

Israel's history of aggressive actions against its neighbors is not analogous to the American civil rights movement.

[aquart]

33. Wow. Pitting blacks against Jews.

Like no one has tried that one before.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I'd like to know why every damn thing the Israelis do is bitched about on this site but NOBODY gives a shit what the Muslims are doing to other Muslims in Darfur.

Pass for the Israelis, my ass. The default liberal position is evil Israel, poor suffering Palestinians.

It's the murderers in Darfur who are getting the free pass.

But you go on with your concern. Sistah.

[xultar]

44. IT has nothing to do with Jews. Replace Israel with Switzerland.

How can the us allow another country to kill whom they fell want to kill them and I have to fight to keep my civil rights.

Why can't the US allow blacks in South Africa to blow up Johannesburg and just let them do what they need to do to feel safe.

Who is the US to allow shit like this?

[jseankil]

51. Is the U.S. stopping blacks from blowing up Johannesburg?

Does blacks blowing up Johannesburg serve the political agenda of those in power? If so then i'm sure U.S. will sit back, if not they they would voice the opinions against it. Politics as usual, it might not be morally correct but it's nothing new.

[lastknowngood]

39. Unfortunately it si because we are STILL a racist nation

The really funny thing is that most also hate Jews. Take your ass down south or out west, the reason you don't find little Israel in Idaho is it would get burned down.

[dysfunctional press]

53. are you implying that all white people give israel a pass?

because nothing could be further from the truth.

[xultar]

70. Nope not all. But a whole heck of a lot. 25% of Israelis don't like this

new Lebanon thing the Israeli military is doing.

I mean killing civilians. Who could be behind that shit except Bush and his gang of war hawks in his administration and in the Israeli government.

[DanCa]

55. I really dont know what to say except hugs and peace.

The gop only cares about thier own base. Case in point katrina and case in point the whole Lebanon evacuee thing. I think that maybe Bush has plans to turn Israel into a fighting force at some point. Whatever reason that he has for sidding with israel you can be sure its for some kind of political gain.

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[Ian David]

66. Black people don't get a pass on racism, bigotry or anti-semitism, either

Who the fuck made it a pissing contest to see who is more oppressed than whom?

That is a stupid and disgusting argument you're making.

[shadowknows69]

67. If I had a pass to give xultar

Anyone who has been hurt becuase of racial discrimination and prejudice would be top of my list. As it stands I'm a nearly unemployed, nearly dead from lack of health care, nearly 40 white man with no influence and fewer prospects. so, while I don't mind standing in a long line, I need a fukin break too.

[xultar]

69. A-GREED. WE all need a break. Why can't Bush give us a break?

That is what I'm sayin. HE's givin Israel a break and we his own people can't get a fuckin break. My neighbor. White dude with a family has been out of work for close to 2 years. Had to sell his house.
Why can't he get a break! My neighbor is fuckin cool his wife cool. I don't know their political persuasion and I don't want to. But he can't catch a break either.

[malaise]

68. Lsiten sis

you're watching 'the white man's burden' which put simply is a burden on the rest of humanity.

[KingFlorez]

71. You ask a good question

And it's pretty easy to answer. They wouldn't gain any traction in the world by doing the same with blacks as they do with Israel.

[Cerridwen]

73. I wish I could give you an answer

that doesn't include millenia of racism, self-deluded self interest, hatred and fear of all that's "not us," despicable corporate "interests," greed, and lack of compassion combined with "authoritarianism."

But, this glow-in-the-dark white woman, just can't.