Is Lieberman a JFK Democrat?

[Onlooker]

Lieberman is liberal when it comes to civil rights, education, and health care; moderate on crime, taxes, and spending; and a hawk when it comes to defense and terrorism. While Kennedy did many great things domestically, he was a hawk on defense and pretty conservative on spending. That said, JFK was not the fawning, sanctimonious type that Lieberman is.

[DemonFighterLives]

1. He is no JFK!

Not even in the same book. JFK would never have layed down with these dogs. At least in my unblemished memories.

:dem:
JFK and Wellstone forever! Never Park The Bus!

[comradebillyboy]

2. he is a GOP democrat

and a total dickhead too.

[cgrindley]

3. Naw, he's just a sell-out

He has utterly lost all contact with his electorate in CT. No one likes him--unless I suppose they work for him or are going to get some of the pork he occasionally gets tossed from the Washington trough. He lost his ways years ago. He's not particularly liberal on anything. In my opinion, if you don't support immediate withdrawal from Iraq, you shouldn't be re-elected as dogcatcher, let alone senator.

[bryant69]

4. Different times

and different situations. Being a hawk doesn't necessarily mean you are in favor of all wars all the time. I don't know that Kennedy would have been keen on invading Iraq for example. While Lieberman evidently is.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Lowell]

5. Liberman is about as much like JFK

as Bush is like Lincoln. Not at all.

[Onlooker]

6. Care to explain why?

Let's not forget how Kennedy handled the Cold War and Vietnam. I think Lieberman is sort of a C-grade JFK.

[MadHound]

14. Kennedy was actually pretty dovish when it came to the military

Before he was assasinated he was working on a plan to ratchet down the Vietnam war, to withdraw all US troops by 1965. He was also intent on breaking the stranglehold that the CIA had on government, thus ratcheting down the Cold War also.

Compare this with Lieberman who has yet to find a war he couldn't get behind:eyes:

[dailykoff]

25. Exactly.

Pure spin to sell a stinking war.

[sendero]

7. Lieberman...

... acted to place two wingnuts on the Supreme Court. I'm sick of the bullshit lies about how "liberal" he is, those two appointments are going to do more damage to civil rights and reproductive rights than any vote he might make in the senate.

JFK and Lieberman in the same sentence: laughable.

[MrTriumph]

8. Pls tell me what 'great things' JFK did domestically

And if you say 'civil rights', I suggest you look at the level of non-accomplishments. It is pretty disappointing.

[Onlooker]

9. He did a lot

including sending the NG into Alabama, supporting MLK, and proposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Other than that, there's the space program and his New Frontier program that greatly improved our social welfare system.

[MrTriumph]

23. proposed the Civil Rights Act and it stalled in Congress

Kennedy was unable to get the CRA through Congress. It was LBJ that gave life to multiple civil rights laws and had the guts and energy to push them through.

What else?

Oh, I forgot, the space program. It has made life so much better for all of us. What would I do without Tang?

Maybe to say Kennedy delivered exactly what the nation needed in 1961 is good enough: An administration that talked well but delivered little. And when a calm head was needed, he was there to stop things from getting out of hand during the Cuban missile crisis. But to say Kennedy did a lot domestically is ridiculous.

[adwon]

20. Oops

If you don't know, be wary of ever challenging the virtue of St. John on this forum. In the minds of most, he could, and did, no wrong while Johnson could, and did, no right.

[graywarrior]

10. The sooner he gets elected out, the sooner we can all stop

talking about him. He gets more attention than any other senator in the country. I guess it's true, there's no such thing as bad PR.

[maxrandb]

11. That's a Sean "Insanity" talking point

Make no mistake about it. The only reason that Sean Insanity and the like have not "demonized" JFK is because they haven't yet been able to find the right words to slam a President that had his brains blown out on national TV.

If JFK were alive today, Rush and Insanity would vilify him to no end.

I have a very simple tool to use whenever a "wing-nut" starts waxing poetic about JFK and how he cut taxes. Next time that happens, just ask them to support going back to the tax rate under JFK's cut? You get blank stares and stammering.

The wingnuts haven't figured out a way to slam JFK, so they've tried to adopt him. My guess is he's rolling in his grave every time Limpballs or Insanity invokes his name.

As for Lieberman, I don't think he really deserves all the vitriol that he's getting, but I will say this. If the Democrats of Connecticut don't think he's the right man to represent them, then they have every right to replace him.

[H2O Man]

12. Lieberman is a neoconservative.

JFK was not.

[Totally Committed]

13. JFK would have spit in Bush's eye, rather than embrace him...

the way Lieberman did. JFK would never leave the Democratic Party to run as an Independent when the voters of his state voted him out in the primary. JFK wouldn't make it a common practice to badmouth his fellow Democrats. JFK would NEVER have written an WSJ Op-Ed about not undermining Bush's Presidency, and he CERTAINLY wouldn't have led the Democratic vote to censure sitting President Bill Clinton over a lie about a sexual dalliance (talk about undermining a presidency!)

Joe Lieberman is not fit to have his name in the same sentence with JFK's initials.

TC

[calico1]

15. Did JFK trash his own party and suck up

to the Republicans? He should not be compared to JFK, who was a loyal Democrat.

[Onlooker]

16. I'm talking about his poliltical stands,

not his political style. I don't like Lieberman, but don't think he's as evil as a lot of people seem to think.

[calico1]

17. I knew what you meant.

I just feel uneasy about him being compared to a good, loyal Democrat. :hi:

[northernsoul]

18. No, he's a Quisling DINO

What has Joementum done this decade for civil rights, education, and health care? Sounds like most of his liberalism occurred 40 years ago and he still wants credit for it. I'm gonna laugh my ass off when he loses his job this fall.

[Hubert Flottz]

19. He a Zellout Democrite

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. My biggest issue with Lieberman is his trashing of Democrats

while being a pansy when it comes to any criticism of Cons. I don't demand he vote in lock step; I realize he has a constiuency to consider (even though it seems he's not even considering them any more).

He can disagree. That's what being a Democrat is a lot of the time (LOL!). But to go around trashing Democrats with such labels as "extremists" and "jihadis" is stepping over the line past the point of no return in my book.

[Greeby]

22. "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy!"

What you wanna bet Ned was just itching to say that one during the debate? :evilgrin:

[dailykoff]

24. Another big fat NeoCon PNAC lie

brought to you by William Kristol and other guardians of GOP truth.

No, JFK was not "a hawk on defense." He played the anti-commie card to get elected in the 1950s, but the Vietnam and Cuban fiascos were planned on Ike's watch, not his.

The neocon spin on JFK is everywhere these days, including NPR. Sad.