Now Lou Dobbs is making sense IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD

[panhead1961]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/18/dobbs.july19/index.html

[Norquist Nemesis]

1. He's going to be getting hate mail over that one!

Good for Lou! And I agree with him!

[warrens]

19. excerpt

While the United States provides about $2.5 billion in military and economic aid to Israel each year, U.S. aid to Lebanon amounts to no more than $40 million. This despite the fact that the per capita GDP of Israel is among the highest in the world at $24,600, nearly four times as high as Lebanon's GDP per capita of $6,200.

Lebanon's lack of wealth is matched by the Palestinians -- three out of every four Palestinians live below the poverty line. Yet the vast majority of our giving in the region flows to Israel. This kind of geopolitical inconsistency and shortsightedness has contributed to the Arab-Israeli conflict that the Western world seems content to allow to perpetuate endlessly.

After a week of escalating violence, around two dozen Israelis and roughly 200 Lebanese have died. That has been sufficient bloodshed for United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to join in the call for an international security force, ignoring the fact that a U.N. force is already in Southern Lebanon, having failed to secure the border against Hezbollah's incursions and attacks and the murder and kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.

As our airwaves fill with images and sounds of exploding Hezbollah rockets and Israeli bombs, this seven-day conflict has completely displaced from our view another war in which 10 Americans and more than 300 Iraqis have died during the same week. And it is a conflict now of more than three years duration that has claimed almost 15,000 lives so far this year alone.

An estimated 50,000 Iraqis and more than 2,500 American troops have been killed since the insurgency began in March of 2003, which by some estimates is more than the number of dead on both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 58 years of wars and intifadas.

[Finder]

2. Truman recognized it because of politics and...

you can see what Truman really thought about the situation from his diary.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/diary/page21.htm

The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D P as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.

[liberalhistorian]

4. I find the first three lines of his statement

absolutely beyond incredible, especially coming just a few years after the full horror of the Holocaust was known. How many Jews set up elaborate genocide factories and murdered millions and millions of people in them, like Hitler and Stalin?

He's certainly right about the fact that when the underdog gets on top, he quite often forgets what he's suffered and does the same thing to other groups, but that in no way excuses the bigoted ignorance of the first part of the statement.

[TomInTib]

5. I didn't see any bigotry. And what has this to do with the 'Holocaust'?

This is about the Middle East.

I will guarantee you that if the shoe was on the other foot and the Palestinians were thoroughly and systematically destroying the infrastructure and social strata of Israel, we would be over there in a large - and probably nuclear - way.

Don't take me wrong, I am not anti-Israel.
But in this case, they are violating almost every international rule of engagement imaginable.

[elehhhhna]

8. Q: what has this to do with the 'Holocaust'? A:

It's more proof that we become what we resist.

[liberalhistorian]

9. I think you've misunderstood my post.

I was replying to the person right above me who posted the statement of Truman regarding the recognition of Israel, and I was referring to Truman's statement in my post.

[TomInTib]

12. You are correct.

I saw your post (and I always read them when I run across them) and went back and read the first three sentences of Dobb's piece.

Maybe I should wait until I am fully awake to post anything.

Tom

[jonnyblitz]

10. wow, that was pretty damn bad, in fact, it was brutal.

I always thought Truman was vile for dropping two nukes on Japan and this just makes me reconfirm my disdain.

[Finder]

13. This was around the time of zionist terrorism in Palestine...

against the British. He was also being pressured by zionists through a good friend of his. Truman had a way of saying things like he saw them and was not exactly PC.lol He was not a bigot though.

I think the second part of his statement is spot on!

The Avalon project at Yale has a lot of documents from the time of the Balfour Declaration to the Partitioning of Palestine. Anyone wanting to understand what is happening today should be required to read the collection.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/mideast.htm

[TahitiNut]

16. This may not make sense to many ...

... but I don't think it's any more sane to perpetrate wrongs against human beings because of some ethnic demographic than to claim some license or special exemption from criticism for wrongs against human beings because of some ethnic demographic.

The victims of the Nazi extermination facilities do not have my empathy because they were Jews (or gays or gypsies or whatever); I have empathy for them because they were human beings. There is something very wrong in the notion that "If you harm one ____, then you're harming all ____s" - unless "____" is "human being".

This, I believe, is the virus of racism.

[Finder]

20. Makes perfect sense to me. n/t

[ChiciB1]

17. You Need To Visit Democracy Now & Amy Goodman's

broadcast yesterday on today! www.democracynow.org and check out what Robert Fisk has to say.

I posted a thread on this earlier but see it is sinking. The broadcasts were extremely fair and VERY informative. Has NOTHING to do with the Holocaust! Even Jewish people here in America are outraged by Israel's actions!

[elehhhhna]

7. wow. ouch!

[CGrantt57]

3. And, finally, just how smart are we?

I hate so say it, but, collectively, we're dumber than a bag of hammers.

But, it's okay, the Rapture is right around the corner, right?

:eyes:

[bdamomma]

6. this is such BS

why don't they just gather on the WH lawn with the leader, and pray to be taken away, and leave those behind who believe in reality.

[originalpckelly]

11. Lou...good job.

I find the moral relativism in our nation and around the world amazing and horrifying at the same time. It doesn't matter who they are, when innocent people die, it is bad.

[idgiehkt]

14. Good God.

"An estimated 50,000 Iraqis and more than 2,500 American troops have been killed since the insurgency began in March of 2003, which by some estimates is more than the number of dead on both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 58 years of wars and intifadas."

Low numbers on civilian casualties, but still, he sounds like a freaking liberal or something.

[sendero]

15. After all this time...

.. it seems to me that Dobbs just calls them like he sees them. He is neither liberal nor conservative, not in the senses of the words currently.

Sometimes I really agree with him and others I really don't, but I have a certain kind of respect for anyone who takes a position irrespective of what they are "supposed" to take, because as shocking as it might be "liberals" are not always right and "conservatives" are not always wrong but way too many people let their party think for them.

[ChiciB1]

18. Kicking This! n/t

[ecstatic]

21. He actually did a real poll yesterday, with real choices LMAO nt

[Supersedeas]

22. the pro-Israel lobby won't like that one much