How will Bush's veto effect 06 elections?

[skipos]

Polls have shown that 60% to 75% of Americans support SC research. I would guess that the only people who will support this veto are the 30% of Americans who already think Bush is doing a heckova job.

IMO, if anything, this is going to hurt the GOP in the fall.

Thoughts?

[saltpoint]

1. Agree with you, skipos. That's a close read, a good read.

Dems have a real opportunity here to make some headway.

Watch out, Jim Talent.

[endarkenment]

7. I guarantee that they staged this and believe it will help them.

What other legislation have the Democrats been able to force to the floor? Bush gets to play to the fundy base and they know that our leaders cannot take anyone to task for anything: they are unwilling to play hardball.

[saltpoint]

20. It could backfire if the GOP nominee in 08 is FOR stem cell research.

Bill Frist, THE CAT BUTCHER, otherwise a clueless dolt, at least has one advisor to tell him he needs to support stem cell research.

If the fundie nutcases wind up with a pro-science nominee, they'll be forced to pressure Sam Brownback to run as a third-party candidate, nicely splitting the Republican vote.

Hot dog.

[endarkenment]

23. But so far they just play with their base.

So far they have never really delivered. Abortion remains legal. Gays are not constitutionally banned. We are only partially a theocracy. I more than admit that this is a very fragile distinction that could disappear in a heartbeat.

[saltpoint]

24. Yes. There is a piece on today's USA Today (available in sections at

my dentist's office!) about Sam Brownback, making every effort he can to be the conservative, fundie darling for the 08 GOP nomination.

That guy is bonkers.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

2. They Care Not....

99% of the Amerikan people could be in favor of this bill, but it is not going to stop King george from doing whatever the Fuck he wants. And his repub buddies in Congress, will more or less go along with him, at least enough not to allow an override. NO WAY THEY'LL LET THAT HAPPEN!!

And the idiots in the public will have forgotten about this by then. We're such a STUPID, STUPID, STUPID Country.

[blonndee]

3. If Dems make it part of their campaign

somehow--perhaps calling out Repubs who didn't support it, maybe it could make a difference.

It could make a HUGE difference in 2008, I think.

[RB TexLa]

8. It will make no difference in '08 if Bush signs the same bill in 07

after the 06 elections. It will not even be mentioned.

[blonndee]

11. You think he will?

[RB TexLa]

14. Yes, the veto was just to provide political cover for those with tight

races, you have to remember this man phones in his support to the anti-choice people, literally. He doesn't care.

[blonndee]

16. Actually, I'm glad to hear that

because I want this to pass, obviously. It's an outrage that these assholes see it as a fucking game.

[sgxnk]

vetoing the line

on a tangent...

assuming bush didn't veto this and actually got through a 2 term presidency without ever vetoing a bill?

has a 2term president ever served 2 terms without vetoing a single bill? seems highly unlikely.

just curious

[NYC Liberal]

18. Yes, Jefferson in 8 years did not veto a single bill.

The Democratic-Republicans held both the House and Senate by large margins for his 2 terms.

[sgxnk]

22. that's interesting

thanks. never knew that

[RB TexLa]

4. All the republicans who needed a vote for it to help them could

vote for it and all who needed a vote against it could vote against it. Pretty simple, that is what the veto was for.

[fordnut]

5. I sure hope it hurts them

[truebrit71]

12. Me too. But it depends upon whether the Dems hit the gop HARD...

...about this issue...along with the myriad of other reasons...

What this DOES prove is that pretzeldent asshat is COMPLETELY out of touch with the American people...

[Jacobin]

6. Half the voting public is content to descend back to the Dark Ages

That's all it takes to keep these cretins in power. Then scare another 10 percent or so by maligning democrats on the airwaves nonstop and accuse dems of being weak on defense and tell the voters that republicans are strong on defense, and bingo, ya got yourself a RW clusterfuck running all 3 branches of government.

I see no way out of this, short of disasters that will hit home hard enough to make at least a small percentage of voters wake up

[KingFlorez]

9. It could have a good impact

Now, it won't hurt the GOP as a whole by just saying Bush vetoed it, because a lot of them favor it. The idea is to put it out there that if you elect a solid Democratic majority to Congress they can pass the bill again and if he vetoes it the Congress can override. This is one time where Democrats must stress their position and why they need to be elected, because solely attack the GOP won't work because some support it.

[skipos]

15. Yes, but vulnerable Repubs like Talent and Dewine voted against it

correct? In those states, it paints a picture that Repubs are anti-SC research. FWIW I read an article that sited a poll in MO showing that most residents supported SC research.

[KingFlorez]

17. Then it should be used against them

But, for Democrats running against Republicans who voted for it need to take another approach on the issue

[Botany]

10. It will energize his base who will turn out and give bush & his

right wing thugs a big victory. This was all a big show to cover up why the repugs
will win again.

[n2doc]

13. Depends on how much people get activated over this

My take is that, unfortunately, average joe and jill might support Stem cell research but won't get upset enough to vote against the pukes because of the veto. But the nutjobs that support shrub are just the sort of people who will be excited about this and who will vote for/against candidates based primarily on their support or opposition to this.

[Beelzebud]

19. I have no faith in our country anymore.

The idiot masses will probably go out and vote MORE republicans into office.

I see nothing good in America's future.

Anyone wnat to loan me a few grand to move to Canada?

[Justice Is Comin]

21. All we have to do is invoke the name

Nancy Reagan when we slam them.

[cobalt1999]

25. this could have been a golden opportunity for republicans.

IF they had overridden the presidents veto. (luckily they didn't think)

Think about it:
First, they can support something that many people agree with
Second, they can distance themselves (and the republican party) from an unpopular president
Third, the ones with close races could have championed the override.

They blew it!