Pro-life Christians are not; they are pro-suffering.

[MindPilot]

They--the Christofascists--care nothing about life, morals, ethics, or any of the other high-minded ideals they claim to hold. Instead, they revel in other peoples’ agony and do everything they can to make as many people suffer as much as possible.

They impede medical science so cures are not developed. They make women have babies they don't want. They make people with terminal illnesses stay alive against their will. They withhold medication from those in pain. They deny gays the joy of having a legally recognized life partner. And they just piss themselves with glee at the prospect of a good godly bombing--especially if it involves killing non-christians.

[Waya]

1. Yea....what you said....

:applause:

[liberal N proud]

2. Pro Life = (Pro Birth + Pro Death)

They want to see them born, they want to hold them in their arms
They don't want to teach them
They don't want to provide health care for them

Then they will want them to die for them

[BOSSHOG]

3. WOW! What a great post

Right on target teammate! They wallow in their ignorance and hate. My father suffered with Alzheimers prior to his death and yet because of the religious views of the ignorant in this country more will suffer with this evil disease. I'd like to lock them up in the Alzheimer's wing of a nursing home for at least three months and have them listen to a constant loop of bush blathering on about the value of life while they live in concert with people who are out of their mind and can't control their bowels and can't feed themselves, and occcasionally get violent for no apparent reason and can't be communicated with. Value of life my big fat liberal ass.

For those who would say that government funding should not be used for such research, just give us one week of what we are spending on Iraq and I'll shut the fuck up.

[MindPilot]

9. Thanks for that; I appreciate it Chief!

My dad went kind of the same way only with complications arising from severe diabetes. I still cannot come up with the words to describe the humiliation of having to change my father's diapers. After 25 years in the Air Force, then another 20+ in the civilian workforce, and he still could not be afforded the same dignity I can give my dog.

[Midlodemocrat]

11. My dad also suffered from Alzheimer's type dementia.

He was a very pleasantly demented individual. However, I would have given anything for his last years to be captured with making new memories with his grandchildren rather than waking every morning trying to remember where he was.

He was 80. I recognize we all have to leave this mortal coil at some point, but if someone could go peacefully and without pain, I think that is a blessed event.

[Ignoramus]

4. Crucifixion fetishists

Yes, I agree. They fetishes suffering. The common theme to where they support killing and oppose killing is whether or not it involves "righteous suffering". Euthanasia is opposed because it would relieve suffering. Killing innocents in military aggression is supported because it creates suffering.

[KingFlorez]

5. That's about right

If they were really Christians, they would not stop research

[Rosemary2205]

6. Broad Brush city

Orrin Hatch is not the only Pro-Life Christian to vote IN FAVOR of the stem cell bill.

"They" are not the group you think "they" are.

[Ignoramus]

8. okay

That's a good point.

Pro-war "pro-life" christians are actually pro-suffering, still works though I think.

It's an important issue, becuase I haven't often heard a good liberal response to the one-sided charge by reactionaries that "liberals" are hypocrits for "supporting abortion" but opposing war. This is the good response that needs to be articulated and made to enter the awareness of the public.

[BOSSHOG]

12. Yes "they" are

otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Rather, we would be on our way to finding a cure for these vile diseases. But NO, we have to waste time and money and energy placating those who are religiously insane. bush does not give a flying dog fuck about those suffering from Alzheimers nor do the rest of those in the religiously insane community. "They" most definitely are the group I think they are. The same group that spent thousands upon thousands of tax payer dollars (fuel for air force one) relative to Teri Schiavo's story where "they" were proven as the fucking morons that "they" are. Yes there is a community of christians who care and love and walk Jesus' walk but that group is not comprised of "them." As long as this combat zone veteran continues to be labeled a coward (by chickenhawks) for not supporting the war in Iraq, he will continue to wield his paint brush. Call it the law of physics. bush, without a fucking doubt, changed the tone in America.

[Rosemary2205]

13. Yes Bush has changed the tone in America

and his small but vocal and unshakable following. I appreciate that anger and bitterness make it alot easier to stereotype an entire group whether the shoe fits or not - but Rush and Coulter do that to us and IMHO "we" can do better.

I'm just sayin..........

[BOSSHOG]

14. Please share with me

who you are talking about when you refer to "we." I love this country with every ounce of my being. I served 24 years in uniform supportin and defendin. Those of various and asundry religious beliefs should be free to go here and yon in our great country but I see an element who would take that here and hon away from us and they think they can do it in the name of Jesus Christ. Christians who have no desire to be dragged into the gutter by those who would rape our constitution for political reasons should be at the forefront of the assault against "them." Should me and my kind sit back and wait for you and your kind to act or should we activate our constitutional protection actions now? Against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! Please share with me the incorrectness of my position.

[kiraboo]

7. There are Christians out there who equate suffering

with humility, and the humble "shall be exalted." However, nobody likes to suffer alone and particularly not the Christians. They want you to suffer right alongside them.

[Beelzebud]

10. Religion ALWAYS stifles progress.

Show me where religion has advanced society beyond the dark ages.

If religion had it's way, the earth would still be the flat center of the universe.

[rubadubman]

15. Religion is at the heart of most wars

Religious zealotry, religious bigotry, or religious corruption of government.
Religion has caused more suffering and death then any other mental process in the human experience!
Just MHO