Wow I am astounded. Pat Buchanan just on MSNBC.

[LiberalVoice]

He just said everything I was thinking in response to the blanket destruction Israel has brought into southern Lebanon. Destroying the civilain economy in retaliation for Hebollahs crimes. Killing civilains indiscriminatly.

[Poll_Blind]

1. Witness the difference between a real Conservative and a NeoCon

Real Conservatives find the actions of the Israeli military almost as distasteful as Liberals do.

A NeoCon, however, can't get enough of the slaughter.

PB

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Pat's not that hot on Israel or PNAC.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

3. He's Anti-Semitic

I know that you all feel strongly that what Israel is doing is wrong, and all that.....and looking for anyone who supports this view.

But plain and simple, buchanan is Anti-Semitic, and he has made derogatory public comments in the past towards Jews. The fact he has this opinion does not surprise me in the least. He probably would wish Israel did not exist at all.

[Just Me]

7. When? If so, guess that would make him a Paleo-Christian, too?

:shrug:

[liberalhistorian]

8. I am very, very strongly against

Israel's actions, and am thoroughly disgusted that my country is supporting them. However, I have to agree here; Pat Buchanan is a blatant anti-semite who's openly made many derogatory comments not only against Jews but against actual Jewish Holocaust survivors (questioning and minimizing their experiences, etc.). Which is as low as anyone can go, frankly.

He may be technically correct in his opposition to Israel's current actions, but it's all for the wrong reasons. I know most people, including me, who criticize Israel and are often against its actions are not anti-semitic, despite accusations to the contrary. But in Buchanan's case, he really IS genuinely anti-semitic.

[Raksha]

13. I agree. I remember his syndicated newspaper column

back in the late 1980s. He made some disgustingly anti-Semitic remarks that really shocked me. They seemed to skate pretty close to Holocaust revisionism at times.

[Little Star]

14. Link please.........

I have not ever personally heard him be anti-Semitic. He usually calls a spade a spade and he is very intelligent. I disagree with his politics but respect his position against war hawks. I would like to read his anti-Semitic words myself and would really appreciate some links supporting your claim. Thanks

[adriennui]

20. i dislike pat buchanan's politics.(.especiallytoward israel)

he was raised listening to father coughlin, however, i cannot deny his intelligence and he has a certain oily charm.

[fishwax]

21. here's a general primer on his views of

blacks, jews, gays, etc. His comments on Israel, holocaust victims, and jews in general are about a third of the way down the page.

http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/buchanan.html

[Little Star]

25. Thank You for that link...........

I scanned it but am to beat to really read it tonight. I don't like what I have seen so far. I will really read it tomorrow. Thanks again

[goclark]

28. Thanks for the link~ sad.

Why do they manage to always get away with saying things like this, over and over again!

[fishwax]

30. it is sad, but it comes from the top

one of the things that struck me as I was skimming through that link before posting it was buchanan's attitude towards apartheid, mostly because it reminded me that our vice president was an opponent of sanctions against the apartheid regime :grr:

Most gop politicians are too attuned to come right out and say the shit that buchanan does, but there's definitely a reason that he remains--after all these years--one of the right's most visible mouthpieces.

[goclark]

34. Yes, he is saying the things that they are afraid of

That is the only real reason they want to stay in power.

It is really not about "protecting unborn babies," it is about keeping the WHITE babies so they can have future voters and a power base.

It is not about RELIGION, it is about controlling a group of scared people that they got to believe that their Christian beliefs won't be acknowledged.

They scare Christians while they bash Mosques all over the world.

They don't love Christianity , they are not TRUE Christians!

They could care less about the FLAG, they USE the flag. They don't want America to be the BEAUTIFUL for everyone , they want it to belong to only THEM.

[cantstandbush]

23. I knew this was coming up. But consider this: Why was it ok to go after

Nixon (and not Bush)? Why has Woodward and Bernstein been so quiet about corruption and law breaking and even possible treason of the Bush administration. Witness all the appearances of Woodward about Plame taking the President's side.

Well here it is in a nutshell and you can call me crazy:

Nixon (an by extension Pat and a few very close to Nixon) were considered to be (closet) anti-Semites. I believe some of Nixons private conservations now public bear this out. So the real powers went after his head and successfully put him out of office. During those days Pat was breathing and frothing anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements. He put it in terms of "American intersts first." The media, the Congress (on both sides of the aisle) had the green light to go after Nixon and they did it to the max. Not so with his majesty GW Bush. He will be protected by re-framing debates, media spin, huge contributions to his and neocon Congresspeople's interest. Pat can say whatever he wants now. He is in no position to really influence anything. It's the same story, different time.

[FUGW]

31. No we feel that what Israel is doing is self destructive.

[gkhouston]

4. Pat may be batshit-crazy when the wind blows nor'-norwest

but he's not stupid.

[adriennui]

5. not surprising for pat, david duke

and bob novak feel the exact same way.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

6. adolf Probably Would Have Felt Same Way....

That doesn't make him a poster boy for our side either.

Ol' Pat would sell any democrat down the river if given the chance. Don't think for one sec that he's changed, since he agrees with you on 1 or 2 issues. He's still as evil as he ever was, just not quite as evil or blind as those currently in power.

[liberalhistorian]

9. Very true; I remember being really

frightened when he did well in the repub presidential primaries.

[kineneb]

27. loved Molly Ivins comment

on Buchanan's 1992 Republican convention speech:

"Many people did not care for Pat Buchanan's speech; it probably sounded better in the original German."

About sums up ol' Pat. Thanks Molly.

[FUGW]

32. Dude even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[H2O Man]

10. Mr. Buchanan is a smart man.

I'm not a fan of his ideas on social policy. But as far as international politics go, the guy is very bright. He makes an honest attempt to be fair and even-handed. His books are worth reading.

[cali]

18. You're a smart man

and you're not hateful. I don't give a shit if Pat Buchanan has an IQ in the stratosphere. He shouldn't be defended by anyone at DU, and I'm shocked as hell, that so many people here are ignoring his ugly history. Please see post #11.

[Balbus]

11. Ah, so now we're going to stand up Pat Buchanan as speaking

the DU mind? Well, let's take a closer look at Pat Buchanan and his views...

Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory."
(St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and
genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's
success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an
intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness
masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood
in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)


Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the
historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel
exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide
to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in
the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter
and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist
concoction.


Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of
Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was
"running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)


Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests
-- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried.
At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that
they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase
"Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was
credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at
Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration
camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)

After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the
controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote:
"If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate
as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of
New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him
'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be
not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests
ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic,
10/22/90)

The Buchanan '96 campaign's World Wide Web site included an article
blaming the death of White House aide Vincent Foster on the Israeli
intelligence agency, Mossad -- and alleging that Foster and Hillary
Clinton were Mossad spies. (The campaign removed the article after its
existence was reported by a Jewish on-line news service; Jewish Telegraphic
Agency, 2/21/96.)

And my personal favorite...

In his September 1993 speech to the Christian Coalition, Buchanan
declared: "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our
religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free." (ADL
Report, 1994)

[bigtree]

12. he nailed it

he used traditional conservative logic.

shows how skewed Bush's approaches are.

[cali]

15. Did you read post

11? Does it even matter to you that Pat Buchanan is an out and out hateful bigot? Or in other words: He's an anti-semite.

[bigtree]

16. yes it does. I don't need any lecture from you about bigots

What he said about the mindless airstrikes on Lebanese civilians was entirely true and on point.

[stepnw1f]

22. But, But, But.... life is Black and White

you must hate him, so you won't listen to anything he says... :sarcasm:

[Balbus]

24. Hey Pat!

:hi:

[Name removed]

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[adriennui]

26. one must look at motives as well

would you be anguished if he declared the palestinan bombers as monstrous thugs wh muder innocent people because they are manipulated by evil mullahs? would you say islam is being portayed with too broad a brush.

[spanone]

17. God, how I hate to agree with Buchanan, but I did.

[Sapere aude]

19. Hey, doesn't he remember all the support from the Jews for Buchanan in FL

in 2000?

[Swamp Rat]

33. To Hell with Pat Buchanan!

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. :eyes: