compare and cotnrast, David Duke on Israel...

[k_jerome]

"the world's worst terrorist" Areil Sharon.

prior knowledge of 9/11 and involvement by the Mossad. "the legendary involvement of Israeli nationals in businesses at the World Trade Center".

"Zionism As the Biggest Threat to Modern Civilization"


"Zionism as a Form of Ethnic Supremacism"


broadcast on Syrian television "Washington, New York and London and many other capitals of the world" are "occupied by the Zionists." "warmongering country."

praised John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's paper on The Israel Lobby. "It is quite satisfying to see a body in the premier American University essentially come out and validate every major point I have been making since even before the war even started." Duke added that "the task before us is to wrest control of America's foreign policy and critical junctures of media from the Jewish extremist Neocons that seek to lead us into what they expectantly call World War IV."

source: wikipedia

[Poll_Blind]

1. David Duke also detests Hitler. Your point? You are constantly...

...posting divisive, insulting (in the least) messages like this.

PB

[k_jerome]

3. how is it insulting? his views on Israel? nt

[pitohui]

21. david duke is a nazi and supports hitler

he is also the former grand dragon of the KKK

in recent years he has spent much time trying to drum up hate aga. the jews in syria and russia

[KamaAina]

83. David Duke detests Hitler?

He must have had an overwhelming change of heart since the days when he paraded around Tulane's campus wearing a sswastika armband. :eyes:

[Clark2008]

2. What are we comparing?

Duke has racist reasons for not liking Jews.

Some people on this board have legitimate reasons for not liking the actions of the power-dominant in Israel as it relates to their government's condoning of killing innocents.

Apples and oranges, I say.

[k_jerome]

6. i believe he has refuted that claim and feels vindicated by...

comments made by other pundits on the subject.

[blonndee]

8. Really, what ARE we comparing and contrasting?

I thought there had to be at least two factors to do that.

[k_jerome]

13. ...

They are vengeful with no respect for the rule of law.

Israel destroys any state that it deems an enemy. But since it's main weapon is the instigation of civil war, it can't run around announcing its intentions.

[blonndee]

15. What are you talking about? What does that have to do

with the OP?

[k_jerome]

36. compare and contrast...

david duke and statements from threads regarding israel.

[blonndee]

40. Oh. That makes

a lot of sense.

Hey, Bush supports this invasion. Ann Coulter supports this invasion. Bill O'Rielly supports this invasion. Therefore, you must support all of those people AND everything THEY support. Right? Ann Coulter says liberals deserve to be executed. Since you agree with her on Israel, you must therefore be a liberal hater and want us all exterminated.

Please. Will the idiocy never end?

[k_jerome]

53. what makes sense?

Which invasion? actually i stand with feingold, clinton, kennedy and kerry in support of Israel.

[blonndee]

56. Your lamebrained comparison makes about as

much sense as the one I made in contrast to yours. Please.

[k_jerome]

58. which line...

the genocidal jews with orders from god?

[blonndee]

61. No, your very own post, here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1677267&mesg_id=1677619

[k_jerome]

62. so there is no similarity...

there is no bigotry in referring to jews as genocidal? evil?

you are right, discussion is not possible.

[blonndee]

64. Israel is, not Jews. Do you not see the difference?

Of course you do, you're just full of hate for anyone who disagrees with you. Just like you accuse everyone else of being. Too bad for you.

[k_jerome]

67. yes it is. they believe it is...

what about this, is it about Israel, the monolithic, people-less object of all the vitriol:

The God of Abraham repeatedly instructs his people to genocide.

[DireStrike]

19. Yeah, Israel does seem pretty vengeful

Hundreds of dead civilians for two soldiers and some unguided rockets? And hitting a whole country (blaming 3 or 4 of them) for the actions of a terrorist group that country can't control.

If thine eye offend thee, cut off your head just in case. I think that's how it goes.

[k_jerome]

14. ...

Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing and oppression against entire peoples. They are displaying true genocidal actions, if not injustice, upon countless innocents. People who fight against this are neither unjustified nor are they unreasonable. It seems history is being repeated BY Israel, and Israel is the undeniable villain.

[adriennui]

72. i disagree

israel is the brave underdog surrounded by 100 million arabs who despise its very existence. if israel ceased to exist there would be a conflagration never before seen.
these countries would revert back to the 14th century. what a dilemma.....who to blame for theit pathetic existences?

[k_jerome]

73. i am simply citing posts i have seen here today re. Israel. nt.

[k_jerome]

16. ...

Israeli warplanes routinely break the sound barrier over Beirut to scare and traumatize the kids

[k_jerome]

17. ...

No, the reason is they want to kill all Arabs

[k_jerome]

22. ....

This is the personification of evil.

[DireStrike]

26. I think that's a little harsh.

You're really just a bit of a time wasting troll. Or perhaps an unconscionably bigoted bigot. Not really the personification of evil.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. !

[DireStrike]

32. Oh, that's a brilliant pic!

On a few levels! Ka-saved!

[k_jerome]

35. those are statements from other threads. nt.

[DireStrike]

45. Thats cool, this image is from another forum

[k_jerome]

59. link, i get a red x. nt

[k_jerome]

51. i don't see any criticism of it within the thread...

i pulled it from. curious.

[DireStrike]

55. Not really.

meh, I'm not gonna explain it to you. You'll rationalize it or ignore me anyway.

[k_jerome]

25. ....

The God of Abraham repeatedly instructs his people to genocide.

[adriennui]

43. herr duke detests israel and jews...he makes no distinction

he also despises blacks, asians and everything non-christian. interesting opinion is he prefers arab to jews (who he believes are the devil and control the world and the US). herr duke hates homosexuals even though he has lots of latent tendencies....dig his plastic surgery.

all i'm saying is israel haters come in many different packages, but with one thing in common. they hate israel and oftentimes jews.

it's a weird world isn't it. there are approx. 14 million jews in the entire world. the obsession with israel and its perceived wrongs is total insanity.

[k_jerome]

60. please read some of the posts i extracted from threads...

today.

[Howardx]

4. he wants to shut down debate

if we dont agree with him then he doesnt want us talking at all. i will ask this again, what do you suggest we do if we are not happy with the current direction israel is taking in her foreign policy?
comparing people who dont agree with what israel is doing in lebanon to an infamous kkk member is no different than your calls of "anti semitism" its a tactic to shut down debate on the subject.

[k_jerome]

9. do you think there is a difference between criticizing the actions of...

Israel in their reaction to the threat from Hezbollah and claiming there is a jewish influence over our govt and media?

[Howardx]

12. i'll ask you again

what do you suggest we do if we are not happy with the current direction israel is taking in her foreign policy?

i said nothing about jewish influence over our govt and media. im asking a simple question you apparently cant or wont answer.

[originalpckelly]

80. So what is AIPAC?

And why do I keep seeing American politicians hanging out with them?

And it isn't all Jews, just Israelis. And it isn't all Israelis, just the far-right Likud party.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041004/dreyfuss

[k_jerome]

42. where is the debate in the posts i cited? debate is not existent in...

in the face of those feelings toward Israel.

[Howardx]

44. i expected as much

i asked you a rational question since you apparently think some on du are going too far in their condemnation of israels actions. i'll give you one more chance.

what do you suggest we do if we are not happy with the current direction israel is taking in her foreign policy?

i have no idea where the debate is in the posts you cited since you cut and pasted the parts that fit your "argument" whatever that is.

[Ignoramus]

5. donuts are round, people are round, so people are donuts

[blonndee]

37. Nice syllogism!

And a good example for me to use when showing my first-year comp students how syllogisms can be invalid.

[DireStrike]

7. I bet David Duke also enjoys Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches

I'd kill for a site with full Colbert Report transcripts. He did an awesome segment addressing this type of attack on "The Word."

If our enemies say something, then we must immediately say the opposite. Something like that. I'm not Colbert. :-(

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Read a lot of David Duke do you?

Honestly, an attempt to paint critics of Israel as anti-semites is pretty dishonest.

But I don't think you were ever after an honest conversation to begin with.

Nice try though.

[k_jerome]

39. research into statements made in the israel hate threads...

invariably lead to him.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. That's odd....

Because the only person I can remember bringing up David Duke in years is you, just now.

[k_jerome]

47. there are several references to the paper ...

cited as evidence of israels evil influence. a paper denounced by even critics of israel and pointed to as vindication for the views of duke. a paper cited often here.

[charlie]

48. Ah, the 6 Degrees of David Duke Game

Fun game. Sadly, I never win though.

[Howardx]

46. what is it about israel that makes it immune

from peoples dislike? why would you expect that?

[Ignoramus]

11. because david duke is racist, let's kill Lebanese people.

[AlCzervik]

18. Are you a fan of Dukes? Whats next excerpts from The Turner diaries?

[blonndee]

20. Seriously, your posts are getting more and more bizarre.

[Howardx]

27. heres what i dont get

if you dont like what people are saying about a particular subject why not just quit coming to du? why is it a hearts and minds battle to try and get us to support israel in this latest adventure?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. They don't really believe what they're saying.

They're trying to raise a ruckus.

[blonndee]

31. I think it's

obviously not MEANT to stimulate discussion and is meant to disrupt. It has to be, that's all the posts have been. Use "search," seriously. It's really bizarre and I can't think of any other explanation.

[Ariana Celeste]

23. You're just having a great time with this, aren't you

:eyes:

[liberalpragmatist]

24. So we're all anti-Semites because somebody else is?

Firstly, I don't even go so far in criticizing Israel as to call Ariel Sharon a terrorist or that Israeli actions are Nazi. But to imply that people who are anti-Israeli are anti-Semites because David Duke uses some of the same arguments as Israeli-critics is ridiculous guilt-by-association.

Walt and Mearsheimer address this in their counter-response to the responses to their article:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n09/letters.html

Regrettably, some of our critics have tried to smear us by linking us with overt racists, thereby suggesting that we are racists or anti-semites ourselves. Michael Taylor, for example, notes that our article has been ‘hailed’ by Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke (6 April). Alan Dershowitz implies that some of our material was taken from neo-Nazi websites and other hate literature (20 April). We have no control over who likes or dislikes our article, but we regret that Duke used it to promote his racist agenda, which we utterly reject. Furthermore, nothing in our piece is drawn from racist sources of any kind, and Dershowitz offers no evidence to support this false claim. We provided a fully documented version of the paper so that readers could see for themselves that we used reputable sources.

[k_jerome]

50. it is criticized by Israel critics as well as being poorly sourced...

but anyway, what is your opinion of the several posts I cite from threads over the past day?

[Howardx]

66. my opinion of them is this

they are unattributted and could have come from anywhere. i see nothing in your posting that would make me believe anything you say.

[matcom]

28. OOOOOO quote Ann Coulter next!

THAT will raise the level of discourse of this thread. :eyes:

[cali]

33. WTF?

This is exactly the sort of thing that people complain about when they say the word anti-semite is thrown out in an unjustified way.

[regnaD kciN]

34. And Osama bin Ladin doesn't like Bush...

...so it follows that we're just like him, right?

:eyes:

[matcom]

38. why are you anti-semitic?

:shrug:

[k_jerome]

49. no, pro-israel. the unacceptable of the 2 here lately. nt.

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[k_jerome]

75. i have not made sweeping statements regarding an entire race....

perhaps projection on your part?

[Ignoramus]

76. Yes. All Arabs are semites. Some semites are jewish.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

78. Not to mention...

crying "anti-semitism" when there is none does a disservice to Jews.

[k_jerome]

79. see...

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=antisemitic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic

[Clarkansas]

57. weak

[PaDem]

63. who's next, Bobby Fischer?

This is becoming theater of the absurd here.

[k_jerome]

65. is this characterization more tolerable?

The God of Abraham repeatedly instructs his people to genocide.

it is from a post here.

[Howardx]

68. have a free clue

"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon." Joshua 10:40-

"Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (1 Sam. 15:3).

there are more

[k_jerome]

69. i know what the bible says...

anti-semites have used it for centuries to eradicate jews. if it is your contention that Israel is now deliberately engaged in genocide at the behest or imagined blessing of god, we will just have to disagree.

[Howardx]

71. im merely pointing out that there is ample evidence

in the bible that the God of Abraham repeatedly instructs his people to genocide. so i fail to see what your "outrage" is about. i seriously doubt what israel is engaged in now has anything to do with "god"

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[Howardx]

77. haha ok buddy

whatever. obviously anyone who isnt 100% behind israel is anti semitic. this kind of crap doesnt help your cause at all, knee jerkingly calling anyone who disagrees with you "anti semitic" could just be part of the reason many people on here arent down with what k_jerome is selling.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. Compare and Contrast, Albert Einstein (and other Jews) on Zionism..

http://www.mepc.org/journal/9012_corrigan.asp

"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain -- especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state." Albert Einstein


"Might not perhaps the "abnormal" existence of the Jews represent a higher form of historical development than territorial nationalism? Has not the diaspora been an essential part of Jewish existence? Did it not secure Jewish survival better than the state could do?" Hans Kohn

"The claim of the Jews to the Land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse." Erich Fromm

"I would say the only human response to Holocaust is to try not to be like Nazis, in word or in deed. What brought the Holocaust was the racist attitude towards Jews, the division of German society into Jews and non-Jews on grounds of race. This is exactly the same thing that is happening in Israel." - Concentration-camp survivor Israel Shahak, who currently heads the Israeli League for Civil and Human Rights.

"The State of Israel is a racist state in the full meaning of the term: In this state people are discriminated against, in the most permanent and legal way and in the most important areas of life, only because of their origin." - Israel Shanak

[PsychoDad]

82. And so it has become....

"The claim of the Jews to the Land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse." Erich Fromm

A madhouse is a fit discription of the world today, isn't it?

Peace

[pinto]

84. Locking.

This seems posted as flamebait, has become a round robin that goes nowhere. Thanks.