Embryonic Stem Cell Research will continue

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

Just not in this stupid country.

On the bright side, the fundy zealots can't control the rest of the world.

Hopefully great advances will be made by one or all of the following countries:


Australia
Canada
China
European Union Countries
Finland
Israel
Japan
Singapore
United Kingdom

http://stemcells.nih.gov/research/intlresearch.asp

[patrice]

1. So when China develops a cure for Diabetes from embryonic stem cells,

will we be allowed to buy their im-moral product?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I have no doubt that scientists elsewhere will continue this research.

But how much do you want to bet that the fundies will try to prevent the importation or use in the U.S. of any drugs or treatment derived from stem cell research? Embryos are Sacred Human Life, after all, even the ones that are discarded as medical waste if they aren't used for in vitro fertilization. :sarcasm:

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

5. Ya, until it's their family. Funny how they turn to modern medicine.

Shouldn't they all just pray for health. Doctors are all godless heathens.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

3. And in California...

Stem cell research will start here in CA thanks to Prop. 71 voted into law in 2004. The crazies are trying to stop it from going through, but the CA voters gave their blessing -- thank the gods. :)

[proud patriot]

19. Thank goodness for that

Hi Hell :hi:

[DanCa]

4. Theres one problem with that thinking

The fundies want to pass laws that make it a crime to seek research outside the us. If I were to leave and say go to england I would be arrested upon my entry. Its a wondeful world isn't it?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

6. These asswipes CANNOT control everything

Despite what their inflated ego voices tell them.

[Poppyseedman]

7. Actually, Embryonic Stem Cell Research will continue in the US

It just isn't federally funded.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/

Really, much to do about nothing IMHO

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

8. Bwahahaha. Yes private sector advances in medicine lead the pack

Far exceeding federally funded advances throughout history. :sarcasm:

[Poppyseedman]

11. Historically speaking, you are correct

The private sector far exceeds what federally funded projects accomplish in the medical field.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

12. "If you think health is expensive, try disease!"

Mary Woodard Lasker (1900-1994)

[Poppyseedman]

14. I can't agree more

What does that have to do with the fact the private sector research dollars far exceeds federally funded research ?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

17. According to NSF study...

The US National Science Foundation (NSF) commissioned an analysis of 100,000 patents and showed how publicly-funded research institutions produced 73% of these patents and that these cited public-funded science from the basic end of the research spectrum. These patents represent both real and potential commercial innovation. A recent report concluded that companies that produced the highest returns on the US stock exchange are those that most frequently cite publicly-funded sciences. This suggests that basic science is crucial to corporate profits and economic advancement. The report goes on to say that partnerships between industry, academia and government on an international scale will become the norm.


The US will NEVER be on the forefront of stem cell research with private funding.

[Fermezlabush]

9. Nothing? You must be a gazillionaire then.

Everything this gang does has the same result: air, water, education, health will only be affordable to the wealthy few. The rest can go to hell.

[Igel]

10. Actually, some is federally funded.

However, I even know somebody working with embryonic stem cells whose research wouldn't be eligible for federal funding.

[DanCa]

13. This is the first that I am hearing of it

May I please have your information source? I would like to check it out thanks.

[Warpy]

15. What this debate has missed is the major role the NIH

plays in medical research in this country. NIH grants are what fuel research at university labs all over the country. Private companies simply can't come up with the millions of dollars in grant money that the NIH can. It's a theoretical research powerhouse.

Most breakthrough drugs are NIH drugs. They are licensed to drug companies which do the final testing and then are granted 17 year patents. Competing drug companies alter the formula slightly to produce me too drugs, but few have ever come up with anything groundbreaking. They just don't have that kind of money to spend.

That is why government funding of stem cell research is so crucial. The private research in this country will be underfunded and rinkydink compared with the funding by socialist systems in the rest of the world.

I estimate every year this stupid man blocks funding will translate into a decade we'll be behind the rest of the world, and that is something we simply cannot afford.

Bush must go.

[spanone]

24. In two years, I predict the govt. will be back in the stem cell biz.

Once we get this moron out of office.

[Cvortex_10]

16. Its not stopping here actually.

They just arnt going to be using government funds to do embryonic stem cell research, which is a subset of general stem cell research (which is going to continue to be funded).

The private sector has TONS of money tied into researching embryonic stem cells and will continue to do so as long as they can keep cranking out medical products to sell.

True, if other governments are throwing money directly at this, it may in face take off faster overseas -- but I think our private sector investment alone is larger then most governments probably even collect -- much less invest in this. Ultimately I think theres much bigger fish to fry and this whole political game is just a scam.

The republicans dont want to look so conservative that their seen throwing away helpful technologies (even though they dont support them), but since Bush isnt running again, they can stand up and vote for it, looking like they support it while knowing it will get shot down at the white house.

[Beelzebud]

18. I just hope these religious freaks refuse treatment when cures come.

When the normal people finally develop cures with this technology, I want every fundy freak to refuse treatment.

Think it will happen? I don't.

These people are fucking hypocrits.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Yeah, the problem is...

if you're dying from a horrible disease it's not particularly reassuring to know that there's a cure in some other place that won't help you any.

[bluestateguy]

21. State governments can fund it

Clifornia funds it and I heard that Missouri has a referendum on the fall ballot to fund it. The research can also be funded through private grants and donations.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

22. States can fund but the US will fall behind other countries

Watching the decline of this country in so many areas it's astounding.

[bluestateguy]

25. You may be right

which is all the more reason why states, universities and private foundations need to step up their efforts to fund this research. Someday this policy will be overturned. If Democrats make major gains this year, they can override a veto on the issue next year; and even if we are stuck with McCain or Giuliani as president (God help us), this policy will be overturned by 2009.

[spanone]

23. They also can't control private enterprise.

[izzybeans]

26. It occurs here with private funds however it is unregulated by federal

administrative agencies. Human subject committees only need to be consulted on an ad hoc basis. I guess we will see just how innovative "the market" really is.

The tragedy will be that most scientific information created in this environment will be treated as a trade secret and thus private property. In this case, it becomes anti-thetical to the pure science communitarian approach to knowledge and the technological innovations that it provides the foundations for. If Bush is worried about controlling it the best thing he could do would be to support the legislation so that federal regulations could be used to "protect life". His veto ensures that his precious little children are now subject to the whims of the "free market" which for the rest of us is like slavery. And those poor souls, their just like frozen pizzas, as Lewis Black would say.