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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:46 AM
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Studies: Young women are becoming more violent with partners
Studies: Young women are becoming more violent with partners

By DAMIAN GRASS
Associated Press Writer

MIAMI (AP) -- Marjorie Lamour's relationship with her boyfriend began fraying with heated arguments over uncontrollable rages and jealousy issues. Soon there was shoving, slapping and kicking. After the break up, the stalking started - phone calls, showing up unannounced, small gifts offered in hopes of rekindling the relationship.

But Lamour was not the victim of abuse; she was its perpetrator. It wasn't until her family intervened that Lamour realized she had a problem.

"I've always known that I had a bad temper, and that I was taking it out on my boyfriend," said Lamour, a 23-year-old college student from Fort Lauderdale.

Contrary to stereotypes, women can be just as likely to mentally and physically abuse their partners, according to two studies recently released by the University of Florida and the University of South Carolina. However, the amount of battered men in the United States is still lower than women and male abusers are much more likely to kill or seriously injure their victims.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOU_DOMESTIC_VIOLENCE_WOMEN_FLOL-?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

In other words, sometimes people suck and are starting to suck more. Wonder why?....
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:12 AM
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1. Why? Comes with Greater Power
That's the good news. The bad news is that women do not intrinsically have higher morals than men.

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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:15 AM
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2. I beg to differ
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 01:20 AM by smtpgirl
I think men for the most part are whores, they want to belong to a clique. Women will be part of a clique for a reason, but men want to be in a clique because it is "status".

Ever wonder why most of the Hummer buyers are men?????

Personally I think men look to get anything, not really "shopping".

Women, if they are on a cycle, they will go for the man that will best have the skills to help raise a child.

And that "study"??, people are mean as shit now, it's the '70's, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR ME!!
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 03:43 AM
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7. ?
Men are whores? No men are stupid pigs for believing they have to buy expensive things to impress women. The guy buys the hummer to show women he has money not for a status symbol. I was watching a Dave Chappelle comedy special and he talks about what men want, He's says men don't buy a manson because they like it they buy to get women, if not for that they wouldn't care living in a cardboard box. He says men only care about getting something to eat or getting a BJ, if they have both life is wonderful.

Women are way more influence and involved in cliques then men in today's society. Maybe I should say girls not women, because just by judging from greek systems at colleges and being in the work place being in my 20's and around people also in their 20's. Women have tight nit cliques that often single out a certain girl because of lack of status (materialism, wealth, boyfriend); so these girls don't want to be this girl so they follow the status quo. Men if they even have cliques are loose nit with the only focus really being getting the next piece of tail, their not real concerned with what the other guy has unless it's a woman they want.

Men will go for anything and are not shopping if they don't have "Game" (wealth) its so true, so as a friend of mine once said, if the average guy walks into a room full of women and ask would any of you like to have sex he might get a few hands raised, but if the ugliest unattractive woman walks into a room of men and asked the same a whole lot more hands will be raised. Men just have no standards because they are less effected by members of the same sex making fun of their choice of a mate because they are not in a tight nit clique.

Women on a cycle that's kind of the problem when women are involved in cliques. It's expected in these cliques to get an good education, get a good paying job and then get the perfect educated rich husband and started a family in suburbia by the age of 30, to keep up with the status quo. I guess if this isn't achieved by the age of 30 they turn into a pumpkin or something. These girls then get desperate if there running out of time and they go for any guy to achieve this and they usually end up with a big loser looking for money. It's like the roles get reversed where the women is trying to attract the man with material items and there are guys out there that are whores looking for a rich woman to play mommy to them.

My sister went this path and got herself in a financial mess with a unemployed bum and I have a friend who is basically a bum was searching for a rich women to take care of him, took him 5 years but he found one recently. Neither my friend or my sister's ex will ever win a beauty contest, probably win first place in a ugly contest, these kinds of man-whores go looking for these women and they fill the need for women who feel they have run out of time and just quit shopping settling for anything.

Now just to clarify this not all men are pigs, I'm not and not all women are whores, but there is a percentage of the population that fit in these categories.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:55 AM
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15. I Think I Understand Your Comments,
But I have no idea how they relate to either the OP or my reply. If it was related to whether or not women are inherently more moral:

Historically, men are much more likely to engage in physical abuse than women. That has IMO led to men in general being considered less moral by many people ("difference feminism").

My comment was that having gained greater social standing, confidence, daily pressures, etc, women are adopting some of the same traits that used to be the sphere of men -- including negative ones such as abuse. Two sides of the same coing. That's all I had in mind.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:24 AM
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17. Men who buy Hummers or other expensive cars
Usually do so to attract women. And it never fails. There are a certain percentage of women who will find the man more appealing if he drives a high-status car.

So who are the real whores?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:48 AM
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4. stalkers do not feel powerful EOM
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:02 AM
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16. Yes. Although the Original Post Referred to Stalking,
it dealt primarily with physical abuse. If a person of either sex is kept down and has no sense of power or self-worth, that person is not likely to hit someone else. There are exceptions (cf Billy Budd), but IMO it's worth considering that an increase in physical abuse may be linked to an increase in things such as power and self-worth rather than the opposite.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:48 AM
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3. i doubt this is true, i suspect the rate of violence is same as ever
i believe that there were always good numbers of female abusers of men, however, it used to be considered "cute" -- in the old days, a woman was considered entitled to hit or slap a man or throw things at him and he was not supposed to hit back and a nice guy didn't

i had a friend who was abused by his girlfriend, not just hit, but threatened at knifepoint several times, and this went on for 10 years into the 90s, i am not aware of any police report ever being filed for the abuse altho there was some police involvement for other violent actions such as deliberately wrecking her car and drunk driving

what saves men is not women's sweet temper, we're just as bad-tempered as the males, it's our smaller size and physical strength, a woman is unlikely to be able to cause broken bones or permanent damage by hitting a man, a man can frequently cause broken bones or permanent damage by hitting a woman -- the effects of a man abusing a woman quickly become part of hospital and police reports, the effects of a woman abusing a man may go unreported for years until the woman picks up a weapon

a man would not have filed a domestic assault complaint against a woman back in the day, unless she used a knife or a gun, it would have been considered unmanly to make such a complaint

there's just more awareness now

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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:58 AM
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5. How much of this is related to battered women's syndrome?
Honest question ...
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 02:09 AM
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6. If you don't have the police investigate criminals you can expect them

to continue to commit crimes against you. Simple as that.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 03:52 AM
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8. Ironic her last name is "Lamour," which sounds like French word for "love"
I never really saw a woman slapping a man in the face as abusive as a man striking a woman. In fact, societally speaking, it seems a rather acceptable way for a woman to show scorn for someone they love.

But on the other hand, stalking is a different story, especially when the girl has been dumped by the boyfriend for being physically and/or mentally abusive to him.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:19 AM
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12. What an interesting claim!
> I never really saw a woman slapping a man in the face
> as abusive as a man striking a woman. In fact, societally
> speaking, it seems a rather acceptable way for a woman to
> how scorn for someone they love.

What an interesting (set of) claim(s)! :puke:

Tesha
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:53 PM
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18. It seems rather true.
There isn't as much of a stigma when a woman strikes a man as there is when a man strikes a woman. I never said I accepted the status quo though, which you seem to imply I did with the barf icon.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 05:59 AM
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9. There have always been abusive women, they're
just not as common as men.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 02:22 PM
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20. Depends on the definition of "abuse"
I contend that each gender is equally likely to abuse (verbal abuse included), but men are more likely to cause injury and less likely to report abuse toward them.

I'm sure most of us have anecdotal evidence supporting this.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:09 AM
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10. There has been a silent demographic of "battered husbands" that has
been around for a while. It's been studied by both law enforcement and sociologists. The main problem is that these assaults go mostly unreported as the men are ashamed of telling (even if not on record) about a woman inflicting emotional, mental, and/or physical abuse against them.

I knew a guy whose wife had incredible fits of rage. Almost as soon as the honeymoon was over, she threw kitchen knives and heavy glass flower vases at him. He stayed with her. I'm the only one outside of their relationship who knows about it to this day. I believe him. You can't make up this kind of shit.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 06:55 AM
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11. The problem is simply becoming more well-known
Abusive women have been around since time immemorial. It's considered "unmanly" for a man to admit to it, unfortunately. It's just that, nowadays, women are starting to be more open about what they're doing. Hence the change in statistics.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:22 AM
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13. Exactly...
.. this isn't the first study to come to this conclusion.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:45 AM
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14. What situations like this need are more guns
More guns will solve all our problems. It's a scientific fact just ask anyone...:crazy:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:56 PM
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19. They should smoke more pot.
Crank, coke and antidepressent abuse do not a mellow person make.
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