WTF - Bush doesn't want to stop stem cell research

[DanCa]

Why do Freepers keep telling me that? God I can smell prolife freepers a mile away can't you? Btw it's not about the money neo cons it's about time. I want to walk before I die.!!!

:rofl: Bush doesn't want to ban Stem Cell that's the funniest thing I have ever heard.

[Cronus Protagonist]

1. He just doesn't want government money spent on immorality (graphic)

http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=220

[DanCa]

2. He only wants to kill things with faces on them.

It's entertaiment for him to watch the suffering in other people's eyes.

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. Sad to say, but I think you're right.

What happened to the US I once knew?

[afrosia]

5. It caught Cancer on 20th January 2000

[NMMNG]

9. Yeah!

Termination is only moral if the fetus has exited the womb!

[afrosia]

4. That prick is responsible for an incomprehensible number of deaths

...in Texas, Iraq, US, Afghanistan etc. but if it's the 'death' of a fetus without a heartbeat or brain then that's just a step too far. Can you kill that which has no life?

Who on Earth is bush (as a mark of disrespect we should cease spelling his name with a capital letter, thus likening him to a common shrub) to make this decision anyway? Like most on the American right, bush has been raised on pseudoscience and the bible. Neither of which are appropriate reading for somebody making this decision.

I am not hugely familiar with the US legal system - is there not another route through for this law? Otherwise you can expect to kick back and watch while China make significant progress with stem cells

[Hekate]

6. He is essentially privatizing the research, w/ the usual results

Now the bizarre thing is, if he really believed it was murder he would try to pass a law making it illegal, instead of just taking away federal money. The flaming hypocrisy of his actions could light up the night from California to New York.

Tell your Freeper acquaintances for me that by vetoing this bill their Glorious Leader has privatized stem cell research and removed the majority of it from government oversight. Private corporations can thus write their own rules about how they obtain and use this material. Somebody will make a lot of money, including by patenting the products/discoveries, and that will jack up the eventual treatment price considerably.

But hey, I assume that the denizins of Freeperland totally approve of the for-profit medical industry and can afford to pay whatever it takes when treatments finally become available.

Between you and me though, Dan, I devoutly hope for the best to come about from this line of research. You and so many others deserve to be made whole in this lifetime. :hug:

Hekate

[DanCa]

7. Thank you for your kind words Hekate.

I just wish that everyone who is against this research would
a: visit a stem cell lab, and b: tell the truth about thier positions. I hate imposters on the internet.

[johnnydrama]

8. exactly

I'm still very confused that according to Tony Snow, he thinks it's murder, but it's ok for anybody but the government to commit these murders?

That's a pretty large chasm his delicate moral standards leaves open.

[vickitulsa]

10. And don't forget the Hypocrite-in-Chief also feels no compunction

about killing (once again in the name of US, the People Who Never Elected Him) hundreds, even thousands, of individuals from Death Rows across the country!

I've never seen fundies so exercised as when they are ranting about "saving innocent life" -- and when they are talking about embryos, mind you, the ones NOT yet implanted in a uterus so they cannot even begin living. Oh, I almost forgot: except I have seen the fundies just as exercised, excited to the point of being downright giddy, on the subject of protecting innocent lives when it comes to the death penalty!

But-but-but.... they say, those are all vicious criminals who are GUILTY AS SIN of horrible crimes!

Well, maybe. Some of those executed are no doubt guilty of horrible crimes, I won't argue that point. But does even this fact justify the state killing coldbloodedly in the people's name? When so many of the citizens of the United States of America have expressed their belief that it is WRONG, indeed it's a SIN, to take the lives of even murderers, when it's just retribution and revenge, not "justice," is it right to carry on with the slaughter anyway?

And most important of all regarding this particular group on Death Row is the "oops factor." For there are times that have been documented -- and many more that cannot be certainly assured but are very likely -- when the death penalty was carried out upon an individual who was NOT GUILTY of the crime for which s/he was convicted!

In other words: "Innocent Human Lives"!

Last time I checked, there were at least 32 known, documented, and certain cases where innocent people were executed in this country. That was as of several years ago; it's very likely in this day of DNA evidence freeing quite a few innocent people who were scheduled for execution (or at least life in prison) that the number of innocents killed by the state hasn't increased a lot more thanks only to diligent citizens who fought for the DNA evidence to be examined in old cases now that we have the technology to do so.

Weren't several hundred executions carried out in Texas during the criminal pResident's terms as governor there? The odds would have it, then, that at least one or two of those people killed in the name of us, the citizens, were wrongly convicted! So when Dumbya refused requests by these people for mercy and a commutation of their sentences to life in prison (without parole), or even requests for only a temporary stay of execution, he was in effect directly responsible for the taking of innocent lives. Just like in Iraq and elsewhere, he killed innocent people!

Not embryos, not tissue, not cells -- PEOPLE.

While those citizens of real moral conviction and courage lit candles and stood outside the killing chambers protesting such cold-blooded and unjust executions, fundies just like Chimpy also gathered neaby to hold up signs expressing their GLEE at having another killing by the state carried out. Yeah, sure, these people want to encourage "a culture of LIFE"!

One other point on this topic:

I believe it's logical and fair that no Bush family member should ever receive the benefit of disease cures or treatments derived through stem cell research which our pResident has fought at every turn and tried hard to block every way he can. This subtopic alone probably deserves its own thread, but the extreme heat in OK is crashing my computer so often lately that I can't use it except for (when I'm lucky) a couple of hours a day. And that's in the middle of the night, like now! (It is 88 degrees at 4 a.m., for pete's sake! But of course there's no global warming happening, either....)

Since the heat prevents my responding to posts in a timely manner in a thread I originate, I'm able to mention this last point only in response to another person's OP on this overall topic. But I feel it's a very important point, nonetheless! NO CURES FOR THE BUSHES! They don't deserve to benefit from a research process they have tried to block!