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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:19 AM
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Some conservatives get it right

First Pat Buchanan, and now George Will. Here he rightly takes the Weekly Standard to task.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006071701152.html
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:34 AM
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1. How Charming That Will Is Wising Up...
How charming that George Will is wising up. Too bad that it follows that steady drumbeat of "Shut up!" "Shut up!' "Shut up!" that the ruling clique has thrown at anyone who dared question Imperious George's war policies and the character assassination and calumny heaped on those who wouldn't comply.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:36 AM
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2. How about that?
A George Will column that didn't make me want to strangle him. I can't even stand his baseball writing.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:39 AM
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3. will aint
will aint a neocon. that much is clear.

neither is pat buchanan. buchanan is what is referred to as a "paleocon" and a rather isolationist one at that.

i like to refer to him as pat butterfly ballot buchanan

:)

even frigging buckley (the guy behind national review) is (generally) against bush's war policy and has come out publically in editorializing against bushco (tm)

there is hardly unanimity in the conservative camp over bush's war policies, which is not surprising, and a fair # of people on the left (hitchens comes to mind) who are supportive

one of the best examples of political theater i have ever watched was the hitchens/galloway debate

two dry and witty english guys going at it



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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:39 AM
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4. It makes me nervous when I agree with Pat Buchanan
I have found myself in the uncomnfortable position of feeling like Pat Buchanan is one of the few people I've seen lately who seems to be making sense on the current Middle East War.

Brrrrrr......

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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:43 AM
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5. "so untethered from reality as to defy
caricature."

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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:52 AM
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6. Regardless, none of them should get a free pass on this
They helped sink the ship and should sink with it.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:03 AM
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7. Hardly - more like grasping for a fig leaf.
Buchanan is just your run of the mill psychopath - as vile as Limbaugh except he can write and has a little more intelligence. I will not even speak to his rantings.


"We might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions -- and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement."

"Why wait?" Perhaps because the U.S. military has enough on its plate in the deteriorating wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which both border Iran. And perhaps because containment, although of uncertain success, did work against Stalin and his successors, and might be preferable to a war against a nation much larger and more formidable than Iraq. And if Bashar Assad's regime does not fall after the Weekly Standard's hoped-for third war, with Iran, does the magazine hope for a fourth?

As for the "healthy" repercussions that the Weekly Standard is so eager to experience from yet another war: One envies that publication's powers of prophecy but wishes it had exercised them on the nation's behalf before all of the surprises -- all of them unpleasant -- that Iraq has inflicted. And regarding the "appeasement" that the Weekly Standard decries: Does the magazine really wish the administration had heeded its earlier (Dec. 20, 2004) editorial advocating war with yet another nation -- the bombing of Syria?


Just because Will points out the breast beating by some RW rag does not vindicate him from his previous blind lockstep with administration. He is a RW punk - like a schoolyard bully - looking for someone smaller to push around now that he has a black eye.
Through his rhetoric I hear him saying that if things had been different (?) in Iraq we would now have the moral and economic authority to attack Iran, Syria, and any other country whose political system was in need of democratizing.

At the same time, he makes clear his disdain for elections results that he disagrees with:

.. elections have transformed Hamas into the government of the Palestinian territories, and elections have turned Hezbollah into a significant faction in Lebanon's parliament, from which it operates as a state within the state. And as a possible harbinger of future horrors, last year's elections gave the Muslim Brotherhood 19 percent of the seats in Egypt's parliament.


"Future harbinger of horrors." Yeah George - I had the same feeling when George Bush was awarded the highest office in our land.

How about the stolen elections in this country Mr.Will. What about corporations that elevate election theft technology to a commodity item in this country?

Regime change starts at home Mr.Will.

.."Hamas and Hezbollah have, Rice says, "determined that it is time now to try and arrest the move toward moderate democratic forces in the Middle East."

But there also is democratic movement toward extremism. America's intervention was supposed to democratize Iraq, which, by benign infection, would transform the region."


I would argue that Americas invasion of Iraq was an extremist act and expecting democracy to spring forth is,,, well,,, it's a bit off. How exactly should we expect other countries in the region to react to our action? How? Do we really expect them to drop their guards and throw flowers?

Will gets nothing. He wanders in the desert. Sniping from behind the charred ruins of neocon policy.
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